MD MOQ applied to the MOQ Forum

From: Paul Turner (pauljturner@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Tue Jun 10 2003 - 09:41:32 BST

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    Hi all

    Some thoughts on social and intellectual patterns of
    value with relation to the MOQ Forum.

    The MOQ Forum is a social pattern of value. It is
    built on the biological patterns of the people who set
    up the Forum and have, still do and will in the
    future, contribute posts to the Forum. The biological
    patterns manipulate inorganic patterns to use the
    technology to create, send, read and store the posts.
    Built on top of the social pattern of value are
    intellectual patterns of value – the ideas that are
    contained in the posts.

    As long as two people are contributing to the Forum
    the social pattern and the intellectual patterns it
    supports will ‘stay alive’. If the posting stops it
    will be a historic social pattern and a set of static
    intellectual patterns which one could peruse at
    leisure like a cultural artefact.

    The MOQ Forum values a particular set of ideas
    contained in the writing of Robert Pirsig. The MOQ
    Forum does not value some of the ideas which are the
    ‘common sense’ of western culture. It will attack
    ideas that oppose the MOQ.

    The MOQ Forum would not value an idea that tries to
    destroy it – for example, if it was suggested that the
    Forum should be closed down, ideas would be produced
    to oppose that idea and maintain the static social
    pattern of the MOQ Forum.

    The MOQ Forum has a charter and rules for conduct,
    they are the intellectual rules created to maintain
    the social quality of the Forum. If the rules were
    severely broken, the Forum would remove the
    contributor who broke the rules. That would be a
    social response. Some of the rules are part of a wider
    pattern of rules for social conduct. Racism, sexism,
    ageism, profane language and so on are not accepted by
    many social patterns of value. There are also customs
    which are not intellectually defined but are followed
    anyway.

    The MOQ Forum has an authority hierarchy. Contributors
    to the Forum with high authority will find their ideas
    are accepted easier than ideas from contributors with
    lower authority. Authority can be gained from many
    sources. Quoting Pirsig establishes authority. Quoting
    other well regarded authors establishes authority. If
    Pirsig were to contribute to this Forum, his ideas on
    the MOQ would be accepted almost entirely without
    argument. In the Forum are those that respect the
    authority and those that want to undermine authority.

    Constructing compelling arguments establishes
    authority. Social approval establishes and confirms
    authority.

    The authority hierarchy in the Forum can and does
    change a lot quicker than many other organisations.

    How does the social level interact with intellectual
    level?

    Sam’s suggestion that the Eudaimonic MOQ is a better
    alternative to the ‘standard’ MOQ is an idea, and
    therefore an intellectual pattern of value. It has not
    yet been afforded social approval. If it doesn’t, it
    will not become an approved idea and will be excluded
    and/or ignored until the debate stops and it dies.
    Many other ideas will go this way. Sam’s Eudaimonic
    MOQ idea openly disagrees with some aspects of the MOQ
    idea created by Pirsig, there’s a threat to the
    ‘common sense’ of the Forum, yet through compelling
    argument the approval of the idea is still up for
    debate. The Forum is open-minded, i.e. the static
    filters are fairly weak.

    The Forum is awash with ideas, some old and repeated,
    some intuitive but not substantiated. The new ideas
    are part of the Dynamic process of life. Speculative
    thought is a Dynamic process. Some of the ideas latch,
    some of them don’t.

    If the Forum ignores new ideas, its static patterns
    will close themselves off from Dynamic Quality and it
    will freeze. If it accepts and approves all ideas it
    will degenerate into a chat room. It would seem to
    operate best at a balance between the two.

    Some closing thoughts:

    How does the social pattern of value that is the Forum
    get better? Is it getting better? Is the MOQ as an
    intellectual pattern of value gaining anything from
    the establishment of the Forum?

    Does anybody care? :-)

    Thanks

    Paul

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