From: Elizaphanian (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Tue Jun 10 2003 - 14:59:33 BST
Hi Squonk,
> Sam, for an individual to be Eudaimonic, all value levels harmonise in a
> DQ/SQ coherent unity. That description even manages to circumvent what you think
> is 4th or 3rd level. As it happens, Lila makes clear what the distinction is,
> and it is important. If you disagree with that, then i disagree with you, but i
> feel you would do well to attend to DQ/SQ tension.
Is this not the substance of what Pirsig talks about re: Dharma in chapter 30? If so, I am very
happy with it. My problem is in what constitutes the fourth level static patterns which interact
with DQ to produce the coherent unity. I see them as primarily virtues (in various fields, including
intellectual) and not as 'ideas'. I agree that eudaimonia as such is not a static pattern, ie as a
'state' it is not static!
> Aristotle argues for two states of Eudaimonia. The second state, found in Ch.
> X of his ethics is fascinating and more Platonic than the first.
We've touched on this before. I'm not an expert on Aristotle, much as I like his thinking, and
hopefully my thesis can stand separately to whether or not it agrees completely with Aristotle or
not.
> I feel you would do well to stop listening to dmb - empty vessels and all
> that?
Thanks for the advice (and for the earlier advice re Wilber). I shall consider it.
Cheers.
Sam
"Phaedrus is fascinated too by the description of the motive of 'duty toward self' which is an
almost exact translation of the Sanskrit word 'dharma', sometimes described as the 'one' of the
Hindus. Can the 'dharma' of the Hindus and the 'virtue' of the Ancient Greeks be identical?" - The
Eudaimonic MoQ says yes. "Lightning hits!"
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