From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun Jun 29 2003 - 18:45:42 BST
Bo and all MOQers:
dmb says:
Gents, Pirsig's comments in LC are specifically aimed at clearly up various
misconceptions as held by various posters, right? So using one of those
specific comments as a broad definition strikes me as a bit unwise. Its like
asking how to change the oil and then using those instructions to define the
motorcycle. The answer just wasn't meant to do that and trying to use it
that way only ends up in a big oily mess. That's why I keep asking those who
are so using it to also provide the question that prompted the answer.
> > PIRSIG from chapter 30
> > "Philosophers usually present their ideas as sprung from "nature" or
> > sometimes from"God", but Phadreus thought neither of these was
completely
> > accurate. The logical order of things which the philosophers study is
> > derived from the "mythos".The mythos is the social culture and the
rhetoric
> > which the culture must invent before philosophy becomes possible. Most
of
> > this religious talk is nonsense, of course, but nonsense or not, it is
the
> > PARENT of our modern scientific talk. This "mythos over logos" thesis
agreed
> > with the MOQ's assertion that intellectual static patterns of quality
are
> > built up out of social static quality. Digging back into ancient Greek
> > history, to the time when this mythos-to logos transition was taking
> > place...."
PIRSIG (from LILA'S CHILD):
> > 'For purposes of MOQ precision, let's say that the
> > intellectual level is the same as mind. It is the
> > collection and manipulation of symbols, created in the
> > brain, that stand for patterns of experience.'
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