RE: MD Introduction and Questions

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun Jun 29 2003 - 18:55:41 BST

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    Platt said
    > In your mind is it OK
    > to say, "I'm sure of my own beliefs?"

    Yes, but.

    (Need I go on ?)
    Ian

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    Ian:

    > Platt said
    > > Just trying to discover your underlying beliefs. :-) Do you agree with
    > > Pirsig's criteria for truth? "The tests of truth are logical
    consistency,
    > > agreement with experience, and economy of explanation." (8)
    >
    > Is that (8) a direct "quote" from Lila ?

    Yes, Chapter 8.

    > How shall I put this ?
    > I believe the MoQ (as I understand it) is the best fit with the world I
    > find. That doesn't mean Pirig's every word is the last word on the
    subject,
    > however ...

    Is it your view that no one can ever have the last word on anything?

    > Logically consistent - yes, but there's more than one kind of logic

    You mean fuzzy logic?

    > Agree with experience - yes, but experienced by who, and by what means.

    Experienced by you based on your observations.

    > Economy of explanation - yes, convenient, but as I've said before ...
    > "We must avoid cutting our own throats with Occam's razor."

    OK, but how to know when to cut and when not to cut?

    > So OK as far as it goes, but the above definition seems to omit the moral
    > levels, and the static / dynamic distinction. Like quality itself, I'm not
    > sure truth has the luxury of a "tight" definition.

    So may I ask what, if anything, you are "sure" of? In your mind is it OK
    to say, "I'm sure of my own beliefs?"

    Platt

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