Re: RE: MD The Giant (types of patterns/types of people)

From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Sun Jul 20 2003 - 15:39:50 BST

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    erin,

    I was dumbfounded in the past about DMB's insistance that Lila doesn't manipulate language-based symbols that stand for patterns of experience. But if you keep in mind that DMB only thinks of the levels as types of people, then his position on Lila's intellect makes sense. I think you'd agree that she is not an intellectual. To DMB this means she diesn't 'exist on the intellectual level' or something like that.

    You are talking past him when you suggest that Lila is participating in intellectual patterns of value despite not being an intellectual type of person. He doesn't like to talk about patterns of value so the distinction has no meaning for him.

    Thanks,
    Steve

    >
    > From: David Buchanan <DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org>
    > Date: 2003/07/19 Sat PM 08:54:24 CDT
    > To: "'moq_discuss@moq.org'" <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Subject: RE: MD The Giant (types of patterns/types of people)
    >
    > Erin and all:
    >
    > Erin said:
    > its the same conversation over and over.
    > I see lila as being able to manipulate symbols
    > so yes i think she is somewhere on the
    > the intellectual level.
    > Do you not agree with his definition,
    > do you not think she is capable of symbol manipulation?
    > Phaedrus never defined the intellectual level,
    > Pirsig did.
    >
    > dmb says:
    > Oh, I see. Either Pirsig's definition will force him to go back and extract
    > those recently quoted sections about Lila's quality OR you don't rightly
    > understand his definition of intellect. I'd put a buck or two on the latter.
    >
    > What makes you think she's able to "manipulate symbols" in that way?
    >
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