From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jul 21 2003 - 17:30:02 BST
Matt,
How can Platt be agreeing with you? I don't understand how you can champion
DQ all of a sudden, how you can say there is something outside hitsory. Not
only can't we escape from history, but nothing can. DQ change is
unexpected, sure, but it still can be explained, it still happens for a
reason based in history, even if it is not known to us.
johnny
>From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD Role of imagination with beauty
>Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:58:53 -0400
>
>Matt, Johnny
>
> > Johnny said:
> > That balance of Dynamic and Static you refer to is a certain expected
> > balance, there is a static pattern of how much to 'twist' a movie plot
>to
> > make it fresh but familiar. The changes may seem like changes, but they
> > are really just static patterns carrying forward and interacting with
>other
> > patterns in expected ways.
> >
> > Matt:
> > To me, this looks like subsuming DQ under static patterns, making it
>static
> > patterns all they down--and all the way up. If history were simply a
> > matter of static pattern forming in expected ways, I expect that we
>could
> > come up with a science of history and predict the ways static patterns
>will
> > form. This is the dead end that Marx led us down, the hypostatization
>of
> > History. Rather than saying it's static patterns "carrying forward and
> > interacting with other patterns in expected ways," I would say it's
>static
> > patterns carrying forward and interacting with other patterns in
> > _un_expected ways. You have the "static patterns carrying forward and
> > interacting with other patterns" bit down, because if the future weren't
> > our static patterns carrying forward in some manner, we wouldn't
>identify
> > the future as being our future. A utopic vision of the future is one in
> > which our patterns are carryed forward, but there's no way to predict
>what
> > this will pan out to be. That's what DQ is. Dynamic Quality is the
> > unexpected burst of beauty, though according to convention it shouldn't
>be
> > there. And because it shouldn't be there according to convention, we
>can't
> > explain other than in retrospection, a post hoc rationalization. This
>ad
> > hoc explanation is tuned to the particular instance of Dynamic Quality.
> > What is a dead end is if we try to go transcendental and try and set an
> > explanation of what all breaks with convention will look like. That's
>what
> > I take the hypostatization of History to be: an attempt to outflank DQ
>and
> > call it all convention, static patterns. That's why DQ is undefined.
>It
> > only unfolds in history, leaving behind it waves of static patterns.
>
>Nice, Matt. I wish I'd said that.
>
>Platt
>
>
>
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