From: Scott R (jse885@spinn.net)
Date: Wed Sep 03 2003 - 01:57:17 BST
DMB,
I'm not too committed to the "being self-consciousness is going to change
everything all the way down" hypothesis, so I'll leave off responding to
that.
On this, though:
> >From Scott:
> To extend what DMB has to say, though, is what, in my view, makes making
> this distinction important. It is to emphasize that the redemption of
Adam's
> sin is not just reunion with God, but that we reunite without losing our
> individuality. Otherwise, what's the point?
>
> dmb says:
> I didn't get your DQ/sq=S/O thing. Didn't seem to add up.
Not equal, but a case of. S/O is the DQ/SQ split as it operates in humans at
the moment. See my post to Paul in the "Where things end" thread for
argumentation.
> But we agree here.
> There's a world of difference between original participation and final
> participation. (Barfield's terms, I think.) Wilber takes the idea even
> further and depicts the whole evolutionary process as one of splitting
away
> in order to grow and then returning to the whole. Differentiation and
> Re-integration are the terms he uses for it. Think of Pirisg's complaint
> about SOM in this light. Specifically, the idea that SOM intellect beieves
> it stands alone and was born without parents, is a product of biological
> man, an epiphenomenon of the brain and all that. As Wilber explains it,
this
> is a case where differentiation has gone too far and intellect has been
> dis-associated with its ground of being. In this case, re-integration is
> more desperately needed and is more difficult. I think this only adds to
> Pirsig's descriptions of the current crisis.
Indeed, we do. Again, see my post to Paul, in particular the last remark
that treating the S/O divide as a case of the DQ/SQ split gives us insight
into the latter, since we have access to ourselves as S/O divided entities.
So, one hopes, it helps in healing.
- Scott
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