Re: MD The S/O divide

From: Scott R (jse885@spinn.net)
Date: Wed Sep 03 2003 - 01:57:17 BST

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    DMB,

    I'm not too committed to the "being self-consciousness is going to change
    everything all the way down" hypothesis, so I'll leave off responding to
    that.

    On this, though:

    > >From Scott:
    > To extend what DMB has to say, though, is what, in my view, makes making
    > this distinction important. It is to emphasize that the redemption of
    Adam's
    > sin is not just reunion with God, but that we reunite without losing our
    > individuality. Otherwise, what's the point?
    >
    > dmb says:
    > I didn't get your DQ/sq=S/O thing. Didn't seem to add up.

    Not equal, but a case of. S/O is the DQ/SQ split as it operates in humans at
    the moment. See my post to Paul in the "Where things end" thread for
    argumentation.

    > But we agree here.
    > There's a world of difference between original participation and final
    > participation. (Barfield's terms, I think.) Wilber takes the idea even
    > further and depicts the whole evolutionary process as one of splitting
    away
    > in order to grow and then returning to the whole. Differentiation and
    > Re-integration are the terms he uses for it. Think of Pirisg's complaint
    > about SOM in this light. Specifically, the idea that SOM intellect beieves
    > it stands alone and was born without parents, is a product of biological
    > man, an epiphenomenon of the brain and all that. As Wilber explains it,
    this
    > is a case where differentiation has gone too far and intellect has been
    > dis-associated with its ground of being. In this case, re-integration is
    > more desperately needed and is more difficult. I think this only adds to
    > Pirsig's descriptions of the current crisis.

    Indeed, we do. Again, see my post to Paul, in particular the last remark
    that treating the S/O divide as a case of the DQ/SQ split gives us insight
    into the latter, since we have access to ourselves as S/O divided entities.
    So, one hopes, it helps in healing.

    - Scott

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