Re: MD Self-consciousness

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Sep 04 2003 - 19:18:12 BST

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    Hi

    I think language is key, it is key to there being a world,
    Man/Being/Language come together in the human-life-world, think about it
    before Man/Language what world was there? Heidegger is my source for all
    this. Before language there may have been experience, but no world.
    And before experience? What can we say about that?

    regards
    David Morey

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    > Hi Scott,
    >
    > Right. Ok! I understand how you came to your conclusions and I
    understand how
    > Pirsig came to his. I think I have learned something from both of you. I
    > disagree about each of our conclusions, but at this point it is pointless
    to go
    > on arguing these points. :-) But, my original question pertained to
    > self-consciousness which you suggested distinguishes humans from other
    organisms
    > and I agree. You have given lots of thought to language. What of my
    suggestion
    > that self-consciousness is only a property of language? Forget about
    > consciousness. I have conceded that point to you. We will never know. I
    want
    > to know what makes humans different from other life-forms. I think this
    > explains the intellectual level. Or at least has something to say about
    it. We
    > are self-conscious because we are language users. And language is a
    product of
    > the social level. Do you see anything wrong with this? If so, what? If
    not,
    > why do I think this is more important than you do in explaining the
    intellectual
    > level?
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Andy
    >
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