Re: MD Where things end.

From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Mon Sep 08 2003 - 22:55:41 BST

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    Hi David,

    I hate to point to the archives but I don't have the time at the moment to recap some stuff. See in
    particular my long discussions with DMB about mysticism. I'll try and pick out the specific posts if
    I get a chance tomorrow.

    I'm not totally familiar with Heidegger. Wittgenstein is my main interest philosophically speaking.

    Sam

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "David MOREY" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 6:35 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Where things end.

    > Hi Sam
    >
    > please elaborate on Pirsig's essentialism because
    > one of my main interests is Heidegger and post-modernism and I do not see
    > Pirsig as falling into
    > using essentialism despite his use of the word metphysics
    > which is associated with essentialism, I would love to try and get to the
    > bottom of this disagrement.
    > As I am very keen to avoid essentialism as a horrible form of closure.
    >
    > Regards
    > DM
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Sam Norton" <elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:20 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD Where things end.
    >
    >
    > > Hi Paul,
    > >
    > > > Nice to see you back!
    > > Thank you! It's good to be back - although I'll never get the chance to
    > contribute as much again as
    > > I have before. I'll probably just concentrate on MF once it gets going
    > again. Anyhow, this bit is
    > > worth pursuing in a little more detail (I agreed with the other bits you
    > said):
    > >
    > > > Paul:
    > > > Well, I don't see how it is possible to differentiate between two
    > > > undefined monisms!
    > >
    > > My point is to question whether it is legitimate to *identify* two
    > undefined monisms. Put
    > > differently, if there is the assumption of ineffability about the monisms,
    > it becomes logically
    > > incoherent to identify them - because there are no grounds for asserting
    > that identity, other than
    > > that it reflects the guiding assumptions of the person making that
    > assertion. I think this is (one
    > > of) Pirsig's most significant flaws, and is one of the reasons why I'm
    > uncomfortable with his
    > > more-or-less Platonic perspective in Lila. I just see it as a Procrustean
    > attempt to force different
    > > religions into a single philosophical shape (an essentialist one), and
    > that seems illegitamate to
    > > me.
    > >
    > > Cheers
    > > Sam
    > >
    > >
    > >
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