From: Gert-Jan Peeters (gjpeeters@home.nl)
Date: Sat Sep 13 2003 - 01:19:02 BST
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From: "David MOREY" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: MD Four options
> Matt
>
> It seems interesting to me how reductionists work from
> static patterns and try to explain dynamic ones such as
> consciousness/agency.
Can you explain to me this consciousness/agency part? I'm afraid my english
ain't good enough to translate /agency.
Whilst it is often clear, such as with language,
> that dynamic creation adds to static material, i.e. more/new words/ideas.
I agree on this one. Adding, though not in a piling way.
> It also strikes me how consciousness/agency seems to fade towards
> darkness/dreaming/forgetting/mechanism. You struggle to learn a new skill,
> and before long you can do it with your eyes shut, without thinking, with
> mechanical precision. Any thoughts on this?
>
GJ thinks that..:
If you come in contact with a new pattern you have three options. Three
reactions that are hard to influence. Especially if you have never had any
insights about them.(pre-moq) If you come in contact with a new pattern the
following can 'happen' to you:
1) you drop a level (for example: from intellectual to social, compensating
intellectual skills -patterns- with social ones)
2) Imitate succesfull patterns (aquiring skills by copying from others)
3) go Dynamic (get 'into' the new pattern and create new succesfull ways)
The 'struggle' you refer to might be option two and three mentioned above.
For example: Language - a pattern - is hard to learn. But allready with
little bits of aquired info from a language one can make jokes with language
(DQ). Learning a skill can be very hard if you are not able to laugh about
it. Lift it to DQ. Maybe your ironist comes close to such a person who
continually switches to sq and DQ every step he/she makes to learn a new
skill.
GJ
> regards
> David Morey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: MD Four options
>
>
> > David,
> >
> > David said:
> > Would you associate irony with dynamic quality at the
> cultural/intellectual level?
> >
> > Matt:
> > Sure, in the loose sense that ironists are the type of person who
realizes
> that you can either be dynamic or static at any given moment. After
> realizing that, the ironist goes in search of DQ, which is another way of
> saying that they search for better vocabularies, better descriptions.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
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