Re: MD Four options

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Sep 13 2003 - 19:51:41 BST

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    Hi

    Agent=thing or person able to bring about an intended
    result/effect through acting within its environment,
    hence having capacity for agency.

    DM
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Gert-Jan Peeters" <gjpeeters@home.nl>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 1:19 AM
    Subject: Re: MD Four options

    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "David MOREY" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
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    > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:12 AM
    > Subject: Re: MD Four options
    >
    >
    > > Matt
    > >
    > > It seems interesting to me how reductionists work from
    > > static patterns and try to explain dynamic ones such as
    > > consciousness/agency.
    >
    > Can you explain to me this consciousness/agency part? I'm afraid my
    english
    > ain't good enough to translate /agency.
    >
    > Whilst it is often clear, such as with language,
    > > that dynamic creation adds to static material, i.e. more/new
    words/ideas.
    >
    > I agree on this one. Adding, though not in a piling way.
    >
    > > It also strikes me how consciousness/agency seems to fade towards
    > > darkness/dreaming/forgetting/mechanism. You struggle to learn a new
    skill,
    > > and before long you can do it with your eyes shut, without thinking,
    with
    > > mechanical precision. Any thoughts on this?
    > >
    > GJ thinks that..:
    > If you come in contact with a new pattern you have three options. Three
    > reactions that are hard to influence. Especially if you have never had any
    > insights about them.(pre-moq) If you come in contact with a new pattern
    the
    > following can 'happen' to you:
    > 1) you drop a level (for example: from intellectual to social,
    compensating
    > intellectual skills -patterns- with social ones)
    > 2) Imitate succesfull patterns (aquiring skills by copying from others)
    > 3) go Dynamic (get 'into' the new pattern and create new succesfull ways)
    >
    > The 'struggle' you refer to might be option two and three mentioned above.
    > For example: Language - a pattern - is hard to learn. But allready with
    > little bits of aquired info from a language one can make jokes with
    language
    > (DQ). Learning a skill can be very hard if you are not able to laugh about
    > it. Lift it to DQ. Maybe your ironist comes close to such a person who
    > continually switches to sq and DQ every step he/she makes to learn a new
    > skill.
    >
    > GJ
    >
    > > regards
    > > David Morey
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:11 PM
    > > Subject: Re: MD Four options
    > >
    > >
    > > > David,
    > > >
    > > > David said:
    > > > Would you associate irony with dynamic quality at the
    > > cultural/intellectual level?
    > > >
    > > > Matt:
    > > > Sure, in the loose sense that ironists are the type of person who
    > realizes
    > > that you can either be dynamic or static at any given moment. After
    > > realizing that, the ironist goes in search of DQ, which is another way
    of
    > > saying that they search for better vocabularies, better descriptions.
    > > >
    > > > Matt
    > > >
    > > >
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