Re: MD Four options - let's not pretend

From: David Harding (davidharding@optusnet.com.au)
Date: Sun Sep 21 2003 - 19:59:40 BST

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    Hi, I'm David Harding, I'm new here..

    On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 04:58 am, David Buchanan wrote:
    > DMB said:
    > Entering WW2 was hardly a matter of choice,
    > so let's not pretend we did it for moral reasons.

    An adherent of Pirsigs works would say that quality is the fundamental
    reality, the Immortal Principle that the greeks looked for, and quality is
    morality, there is quality within everything or rather, everything is within
    quality.
    >
    > Ian replied:
    > David, I agree, this is a good illustration of why I resist logical /
    > dialectical reasoning based explanations wherever possible.
    > It's pretense to "reason", (in all but the simplest controlled physical
    > cases) so let's not waste our time here.
    >
    > dmb says:
    > Huh? Germany declared war on the United States... so we should resist logic
    > and dialectial reasoning? I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. Maybe that's
    > your point? That we should not make sense? If so, then at least you walk
    > the talk, I guess.

    It is important for an understanding of the MOQ to see that
    although "common sense" dictates that inorganic nature came first,
    actually "common sense" which is a set of ideas, has to come first.
    This "common sense" is arrived at through a huge web of socially
    approved evaluations of various alternatives. The key term here is
    "evaluation," i.e., quality decisions. The fundamental reality is not the
    common sense or the objects and laws approved of by common sense
    but the approval itself and the quality that leads to it.

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