From: Scott R (jse885@spinn.net)
Date: Sun Sep 28 2003 - 17:47:12 BST
David M,
> I also feel that reason is a bad term becuase
> you start to look like Hegel. I really think that the terms
> freedom and opennes need far higher status. The cosmos
> is clearly an impressive achievement, but equally its contradictions
> and openness speak against both design and omnipresent reason.
> I think it is more of a difficult struggle than using the term reason
> implies.
> I am sure I want to go ion the same direction as you Scott, but not too
> far, if we end up at Hegel we have lost opennes and freedom and
creativity.
> I also like Quality=experience. Our world is utterly human, our only world
> is this world of a human quality, a human experience, full of everything
> though
> it is.
Here's Steiner:
"...what I have said about the nature of thinking -- that it rests within
itself and is determined by nothing -- cannot be simply transferred to
concepts. (I note this explicitly here, because this is where I differ from
Hegel, who posits the concept as first and original.)"
Thinking (or reason, which I take to be more or less synonymous) is
inherently dynamic. Concepts and ideas are the static result. I don't know
if that assuages your misgivings or not, but it does mine. Reason (this is
now Coleridge) "operates" through polarity, the "two forces" in
contradictory identity. So there is no lack of openness, freedom,
creativity, and contradictions in this view. Indeed, Steiner calls it "The
Philosophy of Freedom".
I don't like "Quality=experience", not because I think it is false, but
because the way Pirsig uses it it tends to focus on experience as
perception and overlook thinking. Pirsig frequently says "pre-intellectual
DQ" but not (as I recall -- someone correct me if I'm wrong) "intellectual
DQ".
- Scott
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