From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Mon Oct 20 2003 - 19:57:19 BST
DMB
Essentially, I see Rorty as using Heidegger's deconstruction of SOM
and this resembles in many ways Pirsig's own criticisms. Heidegger
does a far more thorough job than Pirsig, but he is obscure beyond
most people's patience. However, Rorty clearly says, thank you very much
Mr Hedidegger for placing subject-object metaphysics in a broader context
and
re-thinking what it is to be a human being and rest in peace all
metaphysics.
For me, as for Pirsig, we can suggest that we might still like to do
metaphysics,
that our sense of surprise that there is anything rather than nothing, that
what we
are able to grasp in our experience is always exceeded, that what we
experience
we experience as a gift, and these gives me no choice but refer to the
sacred,
and probably the same elusive becoming that mystics refer to. Rorty is
useful
on the road out os SOM dominance, might biggest disappointment with Rorty is
his physicalism, becuase I see it as without basis an an echo of
essentialism.
& yes, to engage in activity/practice is to have a project, to be on the way
somewhere,
and is at least an improvement on nihilism.
regards
David M
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From: "David Buchanan" <DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org>
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Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:24 PM
Subject: RE: MD Begging the Question, Moral Intuitions, and Answering the
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> David M and all:
>
> David MOREY said:
> I see at least a 75% common ground between
> Pirsig and Rorty. One of the main aspects of this
> is that understanding has to begin with practical
> engagement/value. Pirsig is quite clear about this in terms
> of where he located value in his ontology, and so is Rorty in
> calling himself a pragmatist. For Rorty this is taken up from
> Heidegger's phenomenological analysis of human experience....
>
> dmb says:
> Are you equating "practical engagement" with "value"? Pirsig is quite
clear
> about this? Sorry, Dave, I just don't see what you're saying. You'd have
to
> be much, much more specific. But you only responded to a little joke.
Rather
> than take me down the road from Heidegger to Rorty, I wish you'd take a
look
> at the detailed case. I'd tried to show how Pirsig and Rorty clash with
some
> level of specificity. Or more directly, I could just ask you a question:
How
> do you reconcile Pirsig's mystical metaphysics with Rorty's
> post-metaphysical stance. It seems to me that they conflict on most of the
> central issues, but the centrality of mysiticism poses the biggest problem
> for pragmatists like Rorty.
>
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