From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun Oct 26 2003 - 18:08:33 GMT
Scott, Matt and y'all:
> dmb had said:
> Shifting meanings, words and concepts. I am blown away by that. I'm amazed
> that you think such tactics are A) an effective way to communicate. B)
> honest. C) fair. D) helpful or E) otherwise a good thing to do. Hear me
now
> and believe me later. Your interpretation of mysticism, your
rehabilitation
> of unmediated experience, has destroyed the meaning of the word. Whatever
it
> is you are talking about, its not mysticism or the MOQ.
Scott replied:
Considering that the MOQ is an attempt to shift the meaning of 'quality',
'value', 'subject', and 'object', I find this criticism of yours pretty
strange.
dmb says:
Hmmm. Its hard to imagine how you could have missed my point. Pirsig might
be "Shifting" words and concepts in some sense of the word, but my complaint
was about something else altogether. As I already explained, I think Matt
has been stretching the definitions of key terms to the point where they no
longer recognizable. (Like DQ and unmediated experience, both of which were
already specifically addressed.) The result is that we have just one term to
refer to two completely different concepts. Its fine to have both concepts,
but then we need two seperate terms. (Unless confusion is the goal.) And if
we substitute our own definitions for Pirsig's terms, we are simply no
longer talking about Pirsig's ideas. I mean, if one were to actually
address my concerns here, one might try to explain how and why it is NOT a
gross distortion to describe Dynamic Quality as "a compliment". One might
explain why I shouldn't be bothered that Matt's rehabilitated definitions
seem to have only the thinnest of relationships to Pirsig's use of the
terms. And there was also the far less complicated case, where Matt wanted
us to pretend that he really meant "follow a line of thought" when he used
the phrase "align our thoughts". This kind of thing is not only confusing,
its dishonest.
MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
Mail Archives:
Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
Nov '02 Onward - http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Sun Oct 26 2003 - 18:10:56 GMT