From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun Oct 26 2003 - 18:20:11 GMT
Is that an argument against intellectualism Platt ?
How can it be anything other than anti-religious ?
That doesn't mean Kill Bill is shallow, vulgar, sterile or devoid of moral
vision though. Postmodernist or not I can't see Tarantino considering
discussion of truth and beauty (quality) as futile, merely dynamic.
Ian Glendinning
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[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Platt Holden
Sent: 26 October 2003 17:31
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Subject: MD Western achievement
Hi All,
In his new book, "Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in
the Arts and Sciences, 800 B.C. to 1950," Charles Murray concludes that
a whopping 72 percent of the significant figures in the arts and
sciences came from just four European countries: Britain, France,
Germany and Italy. However, the rate of achievement in these countries
appeared to plummet in the mid-19th century due to a collapse of social
values and the advent of nihilism. When Christianity began to lose its
appeal, things began to go downhill because Christianity provided
incentives to achieve: not only a sense of autonomy and purpose but a
coherent vision of what Murray calls "the transcendental goods" --
truth, beauty and the good. A culture lacking such vision tends to
produce art that is shallow, vulgar and sterile, Murray says,
describing it as the difference between "Macbeth"and "kill Bill." "It's
only being infused with that moral vision that 'Macbeth' is 'Macbeth,'
" Murray writes. "Otherwise it's just people killing each other."
The above is taken from a review in today's NY Times. Pirsig also
traces the decline in social values with the rise of anti-religious
intellectualism, and attempts with MOQ to bring back a sense of
"transcendental goods" as well as a moral vision. That such vision is
lacking today is clearly revealed in the postmodernist's view where
such fundamentals as truth, beauty and good are considered relative and
therefore futile to discuss.
Platt
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