Re: MD What makes an idea dangerous?

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Fri Oct 31 2003 - 18:13:15 GMT

  • Next message: David MOREY: "Re: MD What makes an idea dangerous?"

    Hi

    Under MOQ a lie would be a knowlingly distorted report
    of what a person experienced. 'I think the little one started it',
    might be a fair report, but true? Maybe the big one started it before
    I got there.

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:29 PM
    Subject: Re: MD What makes an idea dangerous?

    > Wim,
    >
    > Wim said:
    > Shouldn't the idea that something can be a 'lie' (i.e. be inconsistent
    with objective reality) be dropped in a MoQ-based culture?
    >
    > Platt said:
    > Definitely not. A culture, MOQ-based or otherwise, will fall apart if
    truth standards are up for grabs. Imagine what life it would like if you
    couldn't trust you doctor, your electrician, or your plumber.
    >
    > Matt:
    > I think Wim has pointed out an interesting observation. The idea of a
    "lie" as being inconsistent with objective reality should be dropped.
    That's what is dropped in a culture where truth is not an object of inquiry
    that you can get wrong. What's funny, is that Platt's answer is the same
    thing I would say, "a culture ... will fall arpart if truth standards are up
    for grabs". In a pragmatist culture, be it MoQian or otherwise, truth
    standards aren't all up for grabs, they are just recognized as having the
    ability to change, like the change between Ptolemy and Galileo. Galileo
    wasn't more true, or closer to Truth, he had different standards, standards
    that we consider better. I see Platt as trying to dress up the practical,
    everyday stuff that pragmatists would agree to, in the rhetoric of
    objectivism. I think Wim is right to poke fun at this.
    >
    > Matt
    >
    >
    >
    > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
    > Mail Archives:
    > Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
    > Nov '02 Onward -
    http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
    > MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
    >
    > To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
    > http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
    >
    >

    MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
    Mail Archives:
    Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
    Nov '02 Onward - http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
    MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net

    To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
    http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html

    This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Fri Oct 31 2003 - 18:18:36 GMT