From: Nathan Pila (pila@sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri Nov 07 2003 - 01:34:24 GMT
David,
Can I offer the thought that morality is not grounded on anything. I am now
reading a book called The Life of Pi. It is terrific so far. In the book,
the author describes a zebra being eaten while alive by a hyena over the
course of a few days. This is nature. Man is part of nature.
Are humans flattering themselves by imagining that our species are ruled by
laws that are different than the rules that govern the rest of the kingdoms
on earth?
A human being is capable of nearly any act. Who's to say that an act is
wrong? And if it is wrong, where is the act recorded? In the sky? At the end
of ZMM Chris dies. It is a sad tragedy for everyone around in that it leaves
a vacuum. But in the wider scheme of things, Chris's death is like the
zebra's death or my death in the future. Steven Weinberg, the Nobel prize
winner once said, 'the more the universe comes to be understood, the more
senseless and without meaning it appears'.
A depressing thought?
Nathan
----- Original Message -----
From: "David MOREY" < >
To: < >
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: MD quality is ...?
> Hi
>
> Seems to me you could link expectation to Tao and DQ.
> It seems important to me to realise how are current experience
> is very much effected and altered by what our expectations are about the
> future.
> Human being is entirely about being faced with choices and a host of
> possibilities
> that exist in the future. And clearly when we make a move, when we go
> forward,
> we step towards one future and condemn all the others to non-existence.
> This seems to be central to what it is to be a finite human being. Also
> it is this finitude that condemns us to a mortal existence in this world.
>
> regards
> David M
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "johnny moral" < >
> To: < >
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:22 PM
> Subject: Re: MD quality is ...?
>
>
> > Hi Nathan,
> >
> > >David,
> > >
> > >Well, I just finished ZMM. I read the last paragraph this afternoon.
So,
> > >what is there to say. I'm not sure I liked it. There were parts that
were
> > >excellent and parts that were too turgid for my taste, but who am I to
> say
> > >what turgid is?
> > >
> > >I want to ask you whether you would say that 'soul' is another word for
> > >what
> > >ZMM calls Quality? And I am having trouble with 'expectation' as the
> > >synonym. Could you perhaps elaborate?
> > >
> > >Nathan
> >
> > I'd love to hear David's take on Expectation, to see if this meme is
> taking
> > hold, but for now I'll defend the synonym myself:
> >
> > Think of what we want from quality products - we have certain
expectations
> > about them, if they are met, we call it a quality product. But we also
> can
> > expect bad things, like a broken down bicycle with rust and dirt all
over
> it
> > we would expect not to work very well, so we actually feel sublime
> > satisfaction, quality, when our expectation of it being a bad bicycle is
> > met. If it worked very well, it would throw our universe out of order,
it
> > wouldn't be reasonable (though of course we'd investigate and find a
> reason
> > and then change our expectations.)
> >
> > I've also just posted a huge reply that covers lots of other stuff about
> > expectation in a more general sense.
> >
> > Not sure about soul. How do you see it as being a synonym for Quality?
> >
> > Johnny
> >
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