From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Fri Nov 28 2003 - 09:37:14 GMT
On 27 Nov 2003 at 18:33, Steve Peterson wrote:
> Hi Nathan, David,
> Nathan said:
> > "Volumes line library shelves in which human authors have described
> > what they call "the Doctrine of God"
> David M said:
> > And as you hint mystics and others have written as many volumes that
> > agree with your proposition that the Being of God cannot be
> > conceptualised or described but you can dance all round the reality
> > of unconceptualisable dynamic quality.
> What seems like an important difference between the two camps is that
> on the conceptualized God side every religion has something different
> to say about what God is and what God's will is while the mystics in
> every religion seem to all be saying the same thing, so I tend to
> think there is something to what the mystics say.
All
I did not know what message to hijack, but I must point to the MOQ
being a METAPHYSICS: the greatest ordering of reality there is and
no religion - or sect - and does not deliver "how/what to do" answers,
thanks God :-).
It treats religion in the sense of seeing the revelationary kind -
Judaism, early Christianity Islam ...etc as (social) myths, but NOT in
the SOM sense of being "just" ...inventions, fairy-tales ...etc. but as a
value level patterns , transcended by intellect, yet an important part of
existence, as real as the other levels.
DMB (23 Nov.)
> myths really are. Once we take a look at that, it becomes very clear that
> myths were never intended as a means for the investigation of nature or as
> any kind of scientific explanation of the world. Instead, we can see that
> the cosmology stories serve a psychological function, they help the
> individual understand his function and place in the society. Pirsig's
> social level is larger than mythology, but is extremely helpful, maybe
> even essential, to understanding what he's refering to.
This is the hardest point in understanding the MOQ: If one insist on
religions either being objectively TRUE or subjective nonsense, then
one is in SOM and sees reality through its S/O glasses.
However, there are other religions than the Semitic ones - Buddhism
and Taoism preferably - and as I understand it, Pirsig sees these as
some proto-MOQs arrived at long since. In my opinion Christianity is
by now in some quasi socio-intellectual stage: one camp drops
reason, while the other tries to find proofs for it (evolutionary).
According to LILA's RTA part the intellectual stage was arrived at -
and transcended - by Eastern tradition, thus the sojourn in intellect for
Christianity better be a short one.
In my opinion
Bo
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