Re: MD Sit on my faith

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Dec 20 2003 - 14:47:42 GMT

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    Hi

    For anyone interested Heidegger
    (who is well read in eastern countries)
    attempts to push thinking to the edge where it 'breaks'
    it is here that a new sense of wholeness is reached,
    not pre-intellectual but post-intellectual.

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Wim Nusselder" <wim.nusselder@antenna.nl>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 1:59 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Sit on my faith

    > Dear Khoo,
    >
    > According to you (17 Dec 2003 20:56:39 +0800) and Pirsig ('Lila' chapter
    32)
    > Buddhism seems to be an intellectual pattern of value that motivates one
    to
    > dismantle all intellectual patterns of value (all patterns constituting
    > 'self'). Including itself, I wonder? Does enlightenment imply dismantling
    > even the 4 truths, 8-fold path and 5/10/227 precepts? I guess so.
    >
    > You also wrote:
    > 'migration towards Dynamic Quality involves dissolving the static patterns
    > of value'.
    > That implies: all static patterns of value, not only the intellectual
    > ones... It is a logical consequence of that Buddhist train of thought, but
    > unacceptable to me. It implies that static quality is all bad and Dynamic
    > Quality all good and that the latter can exist without the former.
    >
    > For me sq and DQ are both necessary. 'Migration towards Dynamic Quality'
    > does NOT involve dissolving of static patterns of value but (in line with
    > what Pirsig wrote in chapter 11 of 'Lila', see my posting of 19 Dec 2003
    > 21:16:38 +0100) cumulation of more static patterns of value with both more
    > stability (more static quality) and increasing versatility ('directed
    toward
    > Dynamic Quality' in Pirsig's words).
    >
    > Beyond a certain level of human development the sense of an individual
    > 'self' is 'a static pattern [that] becomes
    > so powerful [that] it prohibits any Dynamic moves forward' (Pirsig's words
    > from chapter 11). My solution would NOT be to dismantle all patterns that
    > constitute that individual 'self', but to create intellectual patterns of
    > value that constitute a more collective 'self': identification with
    humanity
    > and 'creation' as a whole.
    >
    > Luckily Buddhism apparently also contains that solution according to what
    > you wrote:
    > 'bodhisattvas ... who hold off ultimate buddhahood out of compassion until
    > the rest of humanity is saved'.
    >
    > With friendly greetings,
    >
    > Wim
    >
    >
    >
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