From: MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 05 2004 - 20:15:10 GMT
Bo,
Bo said:
I believe that "objective" and "knowledge" mean the same and hardly need an explanation. Now to forestall any pointing out from you that no arbiter of such exist I hasten to say that this is the very core of the Quality Idea. It has removed the metaphysical 'M' from the SOM (left it the mere S/O, thus no longer REALITY itself) and delivered it to the MOQ whose DQ/SQ divide now is how it really is. But even in the reduced role as intellect (as is my opinion!!!!) its value is as compelling as the rest of the static hierarchy.
Matt:
I'm not sure what exactly this is supposed to mean, but not explaining what knowledge means, i.e. it is whatever we say it is, seems like good pragamist stuff.
The idea that the Quality idea has "removed the metaphysical 'M' from the SOM ... and delivered it to the MOQ whose DQ/SQ divide now is how it really is" seems a little schizophrenic to me. The whole idea of metaphysics was that there was one way that things really were, but to concede that things as they are change seems to historicists like conceding that there is no way things _really_ are. Pragmatists think you get the same effect without the schizophenia by simply saying "the MoQ whose DQ/SQ divide now is how it is," without the "really."
Bo said:
After my computer mishap I lost my searchable LILA so I may not be accurate on such matters, but what is sure - as in Dan's LC Pirsig quote - is that he doesn't regard the MOQ as an outgrowth of any previous philosophy.
Matt:
Granted, but like I've said elsewhere, the idea that _anything_ is not an outgrowth of something else is silly and either ignorant or willfully inattentive to history.
Matt
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