From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Sun Jan 11 2004 - 08:02:13 GMT
Bo:
At least I hope that such a "schizophrenic" (Matt called it) attitude may
be possible. What I am sure of is that all talk about a Buddhist-like
"mind" different from the usual kind, DQ tensions all such heady stuff
like these excerpts from Mark (not him of the Bible, but Squonk :-)
Mark 11-01-04: Your fear is palpable. You know don't you? You know it's over.
> The intellectual level in the MoQ has evolved a repertoire of static
> quality intellectual patterns.
Intellect has evolved intellectual patterns!! The problem is what
intellectual value IS as different from the value level it volved FROM.
Mark: 11-01-04: The Intellect has evolved a Static repertoire - a Sum total
of patterns. Not one, not two, but a repertoire of huge indeterminate
vocabulary. That repertoire is open to new organisation in coherent unity - changing
with experience through generations. Note that the repertoire is not the
Intellect, but a static, symbolic description. The Intellect itself is living in a
relationship with the event stream.
What intellect evolved from is so far hidden in the depth of Human history as
to be a matter of speculation.
> The sum total of the repertoire is evolving in an event stream, or DQ.
> The evolution of the static repertoire is towards greater coherence with
> DQ.
Well, DQ beckons the static evolution along, but I can't see that I have
spoken against that tenet.
Mark 11-01-04: DQ is also the goal of evolution. You cannot explain this.
> The important point to note is this view is not a Substance metaphysics.
> It is a Process metaphysics.
What's important is that the MOQ is no S/O metaphysics? Mark rejects
the objective part but swallows the subjective. Pirsig says that the S/O
is a good static value, the problem is where to place it in the static
sequence.
Mark 11-01-04: The MoQ is a process metaphysics. In a process metaphysics
there are no Subjects or Objects corresponding to those in a Substance
metaphysics.
In my opinion Mark jumps between static intellect and the MOQ without
using any "transformation procedure". It will bring us and the MOQ
nowhere.
IMO
Bo
Mark 11-01-04: You have lost the plot mate.
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