From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Tue Jan 27 2004 - 21:58:40 GMT
Hi Platt,
>> Platt said:
>>> In another post you wrote ". . . the dolphin could not perceive any value
>>> in the pattern of spoken symbols . . ." and attributed its learning
>>> ability to the biological (instinct) level and perhaps the social
>>> (copying) level. So, in the dolphin's case it would seem its awareness is
>>> a function of its level...
>>
>> Steve says:
>> Or you could say that it's level is a function of its awareness which is a
>> way of saying that Quality creates static patterns.
>
> Well, I doubt if the dolphin is aware of the level it occupies, but I see
> your point.
Steve:
I didn't mean to imply that a dolphin is aware of the level it occupies. I
think I lost myself here. My head hurts.
>>> Platt said:
>>> It seems to me that awareness (Quality) at all levels is closely
>>> associated with the level in which the awareness occurs.
>>
>> Steve previously:
>> Let me first explain how I understand awareness and quality. Starting with
>> my own experience or awareness understood as Quality, I infer other value
>> relationships in everything I experience. These value relationships are
>> the MOQ's static patterns. Thinking of these patterns of experience as
>> manifestations of Quality suggests that everything I experience is itself
>> also awareness.
>
Platt said:
> Hmm. Not sure I understand. Patterns like a tiger are also awareness? Do
> you mean dynamic awareness/static patterns are simultaneous phenomena? If
> so, I agree.
Steve:
I mean that I think of awareness as not only my own view but as the internal
view of all the value that is inferred as static patterns. Awareness is
what it is like to be value. And everything is Quality (i.e. the universe
is made of awareness).
Platt said:
> You seem to have altered your thinking to
> reflect the MOQ by inferring "value relationships in everything you
> experience." Perhaps you can further explain what you mean and what
> "tricks" if any you use to shift your outlook.
Steve:
It's easiest for me to get my mind around a view of 'everything is Quality'
when I spend quiet time in nature, though perhaps not in the dead of winter.
(Its been a cold one here in Philly.) Wilber describes the sense of
connectedness to everything that people experience in nature as the
beginning of post-intellectual or mystical awareness for many.
Steve said previously:
>> To infer patterns of any kind, one must rise to the intellectual level
>> since inferences are intellectual constructs.
>
Platt said:
> Agree. I assume "patterns of any kind" would include "levels." That's why
> I questioned your statement above that a dolphin's "level is a function of
> its awareness. Identification of levels require a rise to the intellectual
> level which, so far as we know, is beyond a dolphin's ken.
Steve:
Naturally, the dolphin does not infer patterns. We intellectually infer the
types of patterns that a dolphin participates in and intellectually assign
the dolphin a level on that basis.
Steve said previously:
>> I think evaluation of intellectual patterns happens on the intellectual
>> level as explained above.
Platt said:
> This is our difference. I think evaluation of intellectual patterns
> happens, like all evaluations, pre-intellectually just as in the hot stove
> example.
Steve:
You are right. I slipped up.
>What stops the infinite regress of thinking about thinking about
> thinking ad infinitum is "That's a good thought," expressed only after
> intuitive or instinctive evaluation of the "goodness" or "betterness" of
> the thought occurs.
Steve:
Agree
Regards,
Steve
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