Re: MD DQ and Degeneracy - Which is which?

From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Tue Feb 24 2004 - 07:01:46 GMT

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    Dear Charles,

    You ask 23 Feb 2004 16:16:39 -0500:
    'How do we recognize DQ from Degeneracy?'

    This question DID come up before.

    Sam asked me 16 Feb 2003 18:04:52 -0000:
    'How do you judge if an action is driven by DQ or by degeneracy? Pirsig
    suggests something along the lines of "a hundred years later".'

    I replied 3 Mar 2003 07:42:58 +0100:
    Is this really so difficult? DQ creates new patterns of value. Degeneracy
    means falling back in old ones. It only requires recognizing 'new' and
    'old'. This may cause us some problems if we are not clear about what is a
    pattern of value and mix up 'patterns of values' and 'things' (objects and
    subjects that are elements of several patterns of values at the same time).
    A 'thing' that is an element of a new combination of several old patterns of
    values is still degenerate.
    A new (DQ created) pattern of value may be new only in the sense of a
    're-invented' wheel, however. In that case the static quality of the pattern
    for the re-inventor is affirmed and the pattern gets a wider scope.

    I gave a summary of my discussion with Sam for Johnny 22 Apr 2003 08:16:43
    +0200.

    I wrote 11 Jun 2003 23:25:46 +0200 in reply to a further question by Sam:
    'What is a static pattern of value to one cannot be DQ (the value of change
    to the better) to another. The DQ I experience may differ from the DQ you
    experience, however. The (for me) new static pattern of value that's left in
    the wake of my DQ experience may be an old static pattern of value for you
    or vice versa. Whether a specific static pattern of value that appears in
    one's experience (e.g. democracy) constitutes progress or degeneration
    compared to previous experience, depends on the evolutionary level of this
    previous experience. If this previous experience contains sociocracy,
    democracy constitutes degeneration; if it contains autocracy, democracy
    constitutes progress.
    So yes, DQ is relative to the static patterns of value you participate in.'

    With friendly greetings,

    Wim

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