From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Tue Feb 24 2004 - 16:56:09 GMT
Hi Mark,
You said:
> It was you i had in mind when i wrote this example. It is you i wish
> to thank for helping challenge me to be creative and think of new ways
> to explain.
no problem. :-)
> To move on a step, if the sweet and sour patterns may, by analogy, be
> said to constitute a 'static repertoire' of flavours, then think about
> a 'static repertoire' of ideas - static patterns of intellectual
> Quality? Coherence within the repertoire is pre-intellectual harmony,
> from which new and higher Quality static patterns emerge, while the
> totality of the repertoire may be said to be the snap shot static
> intellectual level, evolving in overall coherence and towards DQ.
> See how DQ motivates at coherence, and is the aim of new patterns?
Yes, I think so. I can think of DQ as a principle of betterness that
drives static patterns toward coherence resulting in the dynamic
creation of newer better patterns. Evolution tends toward DQ in the
sense of static patterns seeking coherence. It sounds like the
opposite of entropy, though. Does it work at other levels? let's
see....
mark 24-02-04: hi steve, tigi, my cat, is climbing all over me. typing one
finger - entropy is obviously loosing the battle with organic patterns? Pirsig
points this out and when we think about it it seems obvious? Life is so much
more complex than chemistry.
Maybe the MoQ would say it is more Dynamic, and its evolving patterns more
coherent? I think coherent patterns are 'opaque' to Dynamic Quality.
> We may say the same thing regarding the other levels:
> The Inorganic has a static repertoire of existing patterned states
> (Electromagnetic, Gravitational, etc.) which evolve when SQ-SQ tension
> becomes coherent (Atoms, molecules, Stellar systems, etc.)
> The Organic has a static repertoire of existing patterned states (DNA,
> multicellular organisms, etc.) which evolve when SQ-SQ tension becomes
> coherent (Plants, Animals, that other category which is neither but
> which i cannot remember?)
But entropy says that inorganic patterns actually tend toward disorder
(less coherence?). Well, they are the least dynamic aren't they? And
under the right conditions (SQ-SQ tension?) they do become ordered e.g.
add energy.
mark 24-02-04: Right! Tigi's gone. Probably wants food now? The Universe is
old and may be past it's best? That's fine for us, because we are made from old
stellar material from the most Dynamic atom constructing processes? I don't
think future stellar activity is going to make anything more complex than a
Uranium atom? Or better Carbon? From now on Cosmological inorganic patterns may
begin falling away from their sweet spot?
But in the scum of planetary thermal/chemical interfaces, Carbon moves
upwards. It's a fine line? And that fine line is exceptional SQ-SQ coherence - just
the point where DQ gets to work.
Would it make sense to say that higher level patterns have a stronger
drive for coherence, i.e, they are more dynamic?
mark 24-02-04: Yes, i agree.
Do you have any thoughts about how a whole new level (type of static
pattern) evolves?
Regards,
Steve
mark 24-02-04: No, i have not given this much thought Steve. As you ask me
the question, the thought pops into my head that the Carbon atom is the
inorganic analogue of a mystic. I do not know what that means?
All the best,
Mark
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