From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Feb 27 2004 - 13:37:51 GMT
David M,
Responding to my question, "Would you say that 'mind' is equivalent to
Pirsig's Quality," you wrote:
> Clearly related in some way, what we usually mean by
> mind clearly refers both to dynamic/active/perceiving aspects
> and also the recogntion of patterns, and also patterned activity.
> Less between the brain and the data than the brain and the object of
> perception.
I consider "data" to be objects of perceptions.
> But both are theoretical constructs. The reality is experience and you
> cannot be anything other than in the experience. Heidegger uses the concept
> of a 'clearing' rather than consciousness. This implies that experience is
> the creation of a 'space' where experience occurs/events. In the clearing
> man and language and being gather together. The arena is then one of both
> static and dynamic experience. Heidegger also describes human being as
> Da-sein which means being-the-there, or just being-there. This seems to me
> ontologically fundamental and what we should not forget. Existence is a
> happening, something talikng place, and it consists of all that is gathered
> in its occurance: brain, mind, body, eyes, ears, photons, sound waves, the
> objects of experience, language, gravity, other laws of nature, puire
> accidental circumstance, etc, etc.
I take it your answer to my question is "Yes." Just as Quality is a
separate category that includes both subjects and objects, the words
"mind," "experience," "consciousness," "existence" all refer to the "One"
in which dualities are subsumed. Of course, we should not forget that the
concept of "One" is absolutely necessary for their to be "many," that
without the idea of singularity there could be no idea of duality. Our
need to think forces us to invent these theoretical concepts. But, since
art is pretense, the paradoxes of thought which lead ultimately to an
ineffable black box don't bother me all that much. I just like to point
them out to the fundamentalists who swallow the ideology of science.
Regards,
Platt
Regards,
Platt
> regards
> David M
>
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> > David M,
> >
> > > Perhaps the mind is in the relationship,
> > > in the between.
> >
> > The mind is in between the brain and the data of experience? That makes
> > the mind some sort of free-floating entity if I understand you correctly,
> > neither a product of the brain nor contained in stable patterns of value.
> > Would you say then that "mind" is equivalent to Pirsig's Quality?
> >
> > Platt
> >
> >
> >
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