From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Sat Mar 27 2004 - 15:38:01 GMT
Platt:
If carbon atoms are still being created in stellar systems, it's a static
system doing the creating, not DQ. Again, processes understood by science
that create predictable results are static patterns.
Best regards,
Platt
Hi Platt,
You are tying yourself to a scientific conceptual model here. That is an
intellectual pattern which has been replaced by the MoQ.
If you imagine yourself to be in a cosmos where there is as yet no Carbon,
Oxygen, or any elements other than Hydrogen or Helium, you would note the
emergence of these elements as a result of value preferences at the subatomic level.
Of course, you cannot do this because you are made of star dust.
Star dust is the result of Inorganic evolution - there have to be a number of
Suns born and gone supernova before planetary systems may evolve upon which
Organic life may thrive - a Dynamic process.
Are you advocating determinacy Platt?
Are you suggesting physics as we understand it is a totally static and
predictable?
If so, you are using an out of date conceptual model based on scientific
paradigms rather than the MoQ. In the MoQ, DQ and SQ are always together as
aspects of Quality.
From Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality:
11. Why is evolution an important consideration in the MOQ?
Evolution is an important consideration in the MOQ as a code of ethics can be
generated from the four basic levels of quality patterns. Though each level
of static patterns have emerged from the one below, each level follows its own
different rules i.e. there are physical laws such as gravity (inorganic), the
laws of the jungle (biology), co-operation between animals (society), and the
ideas of freedom and rights (intellect). It is important to note that the
different laws of the four static levels often clash e.g. adultery (biological
good) v. family stability (social good).
The MOQ combines the four levels of patterns to produce one overall moral
framework based on an evolutionary hierarchy (as seen on the MOQ diagram). The
entity that has more freedom on the evolutionary scale (i.e. the one that is
more Dynamic) is the one that takes moral precedence. So, for instance, a human
being is seen as having moral precedence over a dog because a human being is at
a higher level of evolution.
The MOQ does not follow any theories of evolution that are finalistic or
postulate some form of teleology or program. As the professor emeritus of zoology
at Harvard University, Ernst Mayr states:
"The proponents of teleological theories, for all their efforts, have been
unable to find any mechanisms (except supernatural ones) that can account for
their postulated finalism. The possibility that any such mechanism can exist has
now been virtually ruled out by the findings of molecular biology."
("Scientific American", September 1978 "Evolution" issue, p.6)
If, as you suggest Platt, Inorganic patterns are completely static, then they
have reached a teleological goal. The MoQ does not support this view -
patterns are continually moving towards more Dynamic states - evolution. Evolution
is possible because patterns prefer to respond to DQ. Therefore, the Iron
filling is responding when it prefers motion towards the magnet; this cannot be
reduced to cause and effect, because causation is not an appropriate term in the
MoQ; Rather, such behaviour is value motivated.
If your conception of such motivation is causal, then you are applying a
conceptual model other than the MoQ.
A better account of reference is DQ motivation. Here, all patterned behaviour
maintains its pattern because of a stable relationship with DQ. If this
relationship changes - that is to say, if DQ becomes more or less influential, then
the patterns change accordingly. No cause and effect here, simply SQ-SQ
tensions.
All the best,
Mark
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