From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Sun Mar 14 2004 - 20:52:06 GMT
In a message dated 3/14/04 5:58:44 PM GMT Standard Time,
DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org writes:
> Platt and all MOQers:
>
> Platt wrote:
> The motive for the dire predictions of global disaster predicted in DMB's
> reprint of a "news article" from the Observer, a left-wing English paper,
> was revealed near the end: Another case of politically-inspired junk
> science.
>
> dmb says:
> As usual, Platt has presented an "argument" that is without merit both
> factually and logically. For starters, he blames the messenger for the
> message and dismisses it as a "left-wing" fabrication. Not only is this a
> pointless ad hominem attack, the story was carried by every major newspaper
> in the Western world. (I suppose Platt believes there is a world-wide
> media/communist conspiracy to topple the oil companies or something.)
> Further, the report itself was actually issued by the Pentagon, not ANY
> media outlet. The fact that John Kerry's campaign will make an issue of the
> report itself, as well as Bush's attempt to suppress it, only proves that
> he's sane, that he's not a stubborn anti-intellectual flat-earther like
> Bush. From the article...
>
> "Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the
> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's dire
> warnings could no longer be ignored.
>
> 'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of
> document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority
> is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally
> speaking it is conservative. If climate change is a threat to national
> security and the economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the Bush
> Administration tend to listen to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added
> Watson."
>
> Thanks,
> dmb
>
Dear dmb and Platt,
Concerns regarding the Global impact of prolonged Human activity are not to
be dismissed lightly. Dmb has presented a balanced view, and one which may be
examined in the ethical language of the MoQ. That this topic is of immediate
relevance is why i felt it necessary to make reference to it in, The edge of
chaos:
Jazz is never the absence of structure, it's just relative balance between
structure and freedom -- unlike playing classical music, which is just playing
the notes as they're written. There's a rich vein to be mined in terms of what
"jamming" offers as a skill that organizations can practice to create
innovation. That having been said, if I looked at the kind of critical mass of
resources that are required for organizations to take a meaningful cut at innovation,
I immediately turn to the factory metaphor, because the factories are where
processes and know-how and people and resources and knowledge about the
environment are all integrated. And so you have a kind of critical mass of
ingredients that leads to an ability to innovate.
(From an article titled “Searching for the Sweet Spot” from the on-line IT
magazine “Ubiquity”)
That industry can be artistic should be recognised. But any art that
threatens the welfare of the environment should be questioned on the basis of higher
levels of harmony than is perhaps often neglected. If industrial processes
crush environmental freedom, then there may be a corresponding limitation in the
freedom for individuals to live creative lives.
[Emphasis added. Mark 14-03-04]
My own take in MoQ terms may appear anthropocentric, but i feel this may not
be entirely the case? To state it simply, and in terms which any valueist will
understand, the sum total of Earth's organic patterns - the biosphere - must
be maintained for the freedoms of social patterning. (It's so obvious as for
me to be patronising in state it?)
Therefore, even if a suspicion prevails as to the possibility of extensive
biospherical damage, it must be taken with the utmost level headed seriousness.
I find Platt's lack of concern to be most unfortunate. I also find his view
of the social patterns of the UK to be expressive of an unnecessarily vigorous
right wing fervour; the left wing in the UK has produced a number of coherent
social institutions which support intellectual freedom for example, which is
very much in the vein of the MoQ's analysis of how evolutionary levels of
static Quality interact.
All the best,
Mark
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