From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sat May 01 2004 - 15:15:51 BST
Hi DMB, Steve, David S:
> Steve asked:
> I'm asking whether when you say a person is, for example, on the social
> level, are you saying that the person is literally a social pattern of
> value? Or like Platt, are you saying that the person is dominated by social
> value patterns?
>
> dmb answers:
> Actually, I thought DaveS's suggestion was good. Prominent is probably a
> better word than "dominated".
I think 'dominated' is a better word because Pirsig uses it. Examples:
"To people who were dominated by old social values it seemed as though
everything valuable had ended."(22)
"Phaedrus saw nothing wrong with this ritualistic religion as long as the
rituals are seen as merely a static portrayal of Dynamic Quality, a
signpost which allows socially pattern-dominated people to see Dynamic
Quality." (30)
A minor point to be sure. More importantly, DMB reflects my own
frustration when he says to Steve, "You've been complaining about talking
about people in terms of the levels of value for as long as I can
remember, but this objection never made sense to me. Still doesn't."
However, I've given up trying to persuade Steve that unless people are
granted the dominant role in the social and intellectual levels, the MOQ
falls apart. Maybe DMB will be more persuasive.
Platt
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