From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Mon May 31 2004 - 09:59:06 BST
Hi Ian
Yes big problem if it did, but could we even stop
it if we tried? Is there an alternative on the other side
of capitalism? In the end it is only a means
of organising our economic activity. Can we replace
a mechanism with intelligent and democratic activity?
Why should human agents bow down to a mechanism?
Of course, anarchy is a great danger, but do we block the progress of
DQ and a better future on the other side of capitalism?
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
>
> But you have to ask yourself would you really want "it" to fall over
> completely ?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
>
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I still wonder, along with the writer Mr K Marx, if it will
> > not fall over all by itself one day, can we
> > keep increasing profits for ever? Does
> > capitalism have a reverse gear?
> >
> > regards
> > David M
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 3:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
> >
> >
> > > Which seems to bring us full circle to the politics of Noam Chomsky
> again.
> > >
> > > How far are you going to get with an objective of dismantling or even
> > > "controlling" capitalism ?
> > > (Unless of course, you're proposing bloody revolution on a global
> scale.)
> > >
> > > Softly, softly, catch ye monkey, I say - bring MoQ thinking into
> business
> > > decision making of existing and new business organisations.
> > > It's in the memes.
> > >
> > > Ian Glendinning
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
> > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 2:59 PM
> > > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 30 May 2004 at 12:21, David Morey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > That sounds spot on to me.
> > > > > I think we need to introduce new control
> > > > > mechanisms and values to our corporations.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > msh says:
> > > > Or dismantle them completely? What moral purpose do they serve?
Their
> > > > only purpose, as I see it, is to shield CEOs and other executives,
> > > > BODs, and major stockholders, from criminal and social
responsibility
> > > > for their profit-making activities, and to shelter profits from
> > > > taxes, another way of avoiding social responsibility.
> > > >
> > > > I guess I can see value in the ORIGINAL idea of a corporation, a
> > > > temporary legal entity granted a state charter for the purpose of
> > > > raising funds and building a bridge, or a school, or something. But
> > > > this is so radically different from what we have today that, to
avoid
> > > > confusion, we'd need a different word to describe it.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > msh
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