Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.

From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Mon May 31 2004 - 20:01:41 BST

  • Next message: David Morey: "Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society."

    Hi DavidM, Ian, and all,

    David, I agree with the tone of your message below, and suggest that
    the discussions in which we are engaged, here, may very well provide
    positive answers to your questions.

    Just a minor quibble: It's unfortunate that the term "anarchism" has
    been hopelessly diluted to mean "chaos." I suspect this can be
    traced back to the political cartoons so common after the Russian
    Revolution, you know, showing "Anarchists" with black hats, black
    beards, black coats, skulking around with tiny round black bombs,
    looking for trouble.

    Anarchism literally means "No-King-ism" and what's wrong with that?
    The idea is to come up with a socio-economic system that will prevent
    the concentration of power into the hands of a single person, or
    relatively small group of elites. Anarchism, therefore, is a
    political theory that aims to create a society which is without
    political, economic or social hierarchies. As a social philosophy,
    anarchism can be said to promote community self-reliance, direct
    participation in political decision-making, respect for nature, and
    non-violent paths to peace and justice.

    Sounds kinda MOQish to me, and not so bad. Anyway, my 2 cents, for
    what they are worth.

    Best to all,
    Mark Steven Heyman (msh)

    On 31 May 2004 at 9:59, David Morey wrote:

    Yes big problem if it did, but could we even stop
    it if we tried? Is there an alternative on the other side
    of capitalism? In the end it is only a means
    of organising our economic activity. Can we replace
    a mechanism with intelligent and democratic activity?
    Why should human agents bow down to a mechanism?
    Of course, anarchy is a great danger, but do we block the progress of
    DQ and a better future on the other side of capitalism?

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:31 PM
    Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.

    >
    > But you have to ask yourself would you really want "it" to fall
    over
    > completely ?
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 7:15 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
    >
    >
    > > Hi
    > >
    > > I still wonder, along with the writer Mr K Marx, if it will
    > > not fall over all by itself one day, can we
    > > keep increasing profits for ever? Does
    > > capitalism have a reverse gear?
    > >
    > > regards
    > > David M
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 3:41 PM
    > > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
    > >
    > >
    > > > Which seems to bring us full circle to the politics of Noam
    > > > Chomsky
    > again.
    > > >
    > > > How far are you going to get with an objective of dismantling
    or
    > > > even "controlling" capitalism ? (Unless of course, you're
    > > > proposing bloody revolution on a global
    > scale.)
    > > >
    > > > Softly, softly, catch ye monkey, I say - bring MoQ thinking
    into
    > business
    > > > decision making of existing and new business organisations.
    It's
    > > > in the memes.
    > > >
    > > > Ian Glendinning
    > > >
    > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    > > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 2:59 PM
    > > > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > > On 30 May 2004 at 12:21, David Morey wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > That sounds spot on to me.
    > > > > > I think we need to introduce new control
    > > > > > mechanisms and values to our corporations.
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > msh says:
    > > > > Or dismantle them completely? What moral purpose do they
    > > > > serve?
    Their
    > > > > only purpose, as I see it, is to shield CEOs and other
    > > > > executives, BODs, and major stockholders, from criminal and
    > > > > social
    responsibility
    > > > > for their profit-making activities, and to shelter profits
    > > > > from taxes, another way of avoiding social responsibility.
    > > > >
    > > > > I guess I can see value in the ORIGINAL idea of a
    corporation,
    > > > > a temporary legal entity granted a state charter for the
    > > > > purpose of raising funds and building a bridge, or a school,
    > > > > or something. But this is so radically different from what
    we
    > > > > have today that, to
    avoid
    > > > > confusion, we'd need a different word to describe it.
    > > > >
    > > > > Thoughts?
    > > > >
    > > > >
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