From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Mon May 31 2004 - 20:41:26 BST
Hi Mark
Yes, spot on, I was using the word in its chaos sense
of social anarchy as unrestrained conflict, the other side is clearly the
possibility
of a sort of perfect freedom of zero structure/compulsion required. A worthy
ideal.
thanks for allowing this to be made clear
David Morey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
> Hi DavidM, Ian, and all,
>
> David, I agree with the tone of your message below, and suggest that
> the discussions in which we are engaged, here, may very well provide
> positive answers to your questions.
>
> Just a minor quibble: It's unfortunate that the term "anarchism" has
> been hopelessly diluted to mean "chaos." I suspect this can be
> traced back to the political cartoons so common after the Russian
> Revolution, you know, showing "Anarchists" with black hats, black
> beards, black coats, skulking around with tiny round black bombs,
> looking for trouble.
>
> Anarchism literally means "No-King-ism" and what's wrong with that?
> The idea is to come up with a socio-economic system that will prevent
> the concentration of power into the hands of a single person, or
> relatively small group of elites. Anarchism, therefore, is a
> political theory that aims to create a society which is without
> political, economic or social hierarchies. As a social philosophy,
> anarchism can be said to promote community self-reliance, direct
> participation in political decision-making, respect for nature, and
> non-violent paths to peace and justice.
>
> Sounds kinda MOQish to me, and not so bad. Anyway, my 2 cents, for
> what they are worth.
>
> Best to all,
> Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
>
>
> On 31 May 2004 at 9:59, David Morey wrote:
>
> Yes big problem if it did, but could we even stop
> it if we tried? Is there an alternative on the other side
> of capitalism? In the end it is only a means
> of organising our economic activity. Can we replace
> a mechanism with intelligent and democratic activity?
> Why should human agents bow down to a mechanism?
> Of course, anarchy is a great danger, but do we block the progress of
> DQ and a better future on the other side of capitalism?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:31 PM
> Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
>
>
> >
> > But you have to ask yourself would you really want "it" to fall
> over
> > completely ?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 7:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
> >
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I still wonder, along with the writer Mr K Marx, if it will
> > > not fall over all by itself one day, can we
> > > keep increasing profits for ever? Does
> > > capitalism have a reverse gear?
> > >
> > > regards
> > > David M
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
> > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 3:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Which seems to bring us full circle to the politics of Noam
> > > > Chomsky
> > again.
> > > >
> > > > How far are you going to get with an objective of dismantling
> or
> > > > even "controlling" capitalism ? (Unless of course, you're
> > > > proposing bloody revolution on a global
> > scale.)
> > > >
> > > > Softly, softly, catch ye monkey, I say - bring MoQ thinking
> into
> > business
> > > > decision making of existing and new business organisations.
> It's
> > > > in the memes.
> > > >
> > > > Ian Glendinning
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
> > > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 2:59 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 30 May 2004 at 12:21, David Morey wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > That sounds spot on to me.
> > > > > > I think we need to introduce new control
> > > > > > mechanisms and values to our corporations.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > msh says:
> > > > > Or dismantle them completely? What moral purpose do they
> > > > > serve?
> Their
> > > > > only purpose, as I see it, is to shield CEOs and other
> > > > > executives, BODs, and major stockholders, from criminal and
> > > > > social
> responsibility
> > > > > for their profit-making activities, and to shelter profits
> > > > > from taxes, another way of avoiding social responsibility.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess I can see value in the ORIGINAL idea of a
> corporation,
> > > > > a temporary legal entity granted a state charter for the
> > > > > purpose of raising funds and building a bridge, or a school,
> > > > > or something. But this is so radically different from what
> we
> > > > > have today that, to
> avoid
> > > > > confusion, we'd need a different word to describe it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > msh
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