From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Jun 12 2004 - 04:41:59 BST
Mark and all:
Mark quoted dmb:
And again, it can be seen in dmb's assertion that levels are part of the
oldest idea known to man: dmb 13-5-04: "What's my point? I suspect reality
itself
is ranked and ordered somehow and its not just us imposing our hierarchies.
The idea seems too old, too pervasive, too useful and too well backed by
evidence for us to do anything but believe it."
Mark added:
Mark 25-5-04: There is no textual support in the MOQ for dmb's assertion.
Mark 18-5-04: Quality is the oldest idea known to man. You (dmb) suspect
levels are part of the oldest idea known to man. Therefore, you (dmb)
suspect
levels are part of Quality.
dmb says:
Quality is the oldest idea? That statement is far too vague to be useful and
does not accurately reflect Pirsig's thoughts on the matter. Here's the
"textual support" that you imagine does not exist. It comes from chapter 30
of Lila...
"The physical order of the universe is also the moral order of the universe.
RTA is both. This is exactly what the MOQ was claiming. It was not a new
idea. It was the oldest idea known to man."
Sorry, Mark, but this claim is not controversial in the least. (I almost
excluded the point for being too obvious.) Since the levels represent both a
moral hierarchy and the structure of static reality at the same time, I
think its easy to see that the levels are part of the oldest idea, which
says the same thing; that the "physical" and moral orders are one and the
same. You really don't see that?
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