RE: MD Objectivism and the MOQ

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jun 14 2004 - 18:41:12 BST

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    Platt's response to Paul:

    >Rand: 2. Reason (the faculty which identifies and integrates the material
    >provided by man's senses)
    >
    >Paul:
    >Whereas in the MOQ, it is pre-intellectual value which identifies and
    >integrates the material provided by man's senses.
    >
    >"Value is the predecessor of structure. It's the pre-intellectual
    >awareness that gives rise to it. Our structured reality is pre-selected on
    >the basis of value, and really to understand structured reality requires an
    >understanding of the value source from which it's derived." [ZMM p.291]

    Platt: "Agree. But this quote does not deny that structure (the integration
    of
    sense data) isn't created post-value by static emotional and intellectual
    patterns."

    Right, the structure is really created, and the values of the
    pre-intellectual awareness are not sensed or valued randomly, but rather are
    sensed and valued for reasons. This is the connection of Reason, as in, the
    ability of consciousness to order and structure according to values, to
    Reason, as in, the idea that there is only one way for consciousness to
    order and structure reality, and it is dependent on the prior order and
    structure of reality.

    Unless someone is proposing that each moment bears no connection to the
    previous or next moments, I don't see how Rand and the MoQ are incompatible.
      Rand just stresses reason, whereas Pirsig stresses value. But you can't
    have either without the other. Both are aspects of Morality.

    >Rand:
    >[Reason] is man's only means of perceiving reality
    >
    >Paul:
    >Whereas in the MOQ, the pre-intellectual perception of reality as values
    >precedes reason.

    Platt: "Yes."

    But there are reasons for the values that are pre-intellectually perceived.
    And Reason is the realization of that fact.

    Johnny

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