From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Mon Jun 21 2004 - 03:31:13 BST
Hi gav and all,
Thanks for the comments...
On 20 Jun 2004 at 19:13, gav wrote:
--- Mark Steven Heyman
<markheyman@infoproconsulting.com> wrote: > Hi all,
>
> Someone in the forum has commented recently that
> corporations are
> "dynamic" and therefore of the highest quality. I'm
> afraid I don't
> quite see this, unless what we mean by DQ is
> profit-maximization, no
> matter what the social costs.
>
> Anyway, here's a recent email reply to a question
> about the choice
> between private corporations and state ownership.
gav:
and what about NEITHER.
the 'left-right' model of politics is redundant. as i
said in 'student life and other contradictions': those
who still favour 'left' or 'right' are missing the
point.
msh:
Chomsky would agree with you, which is why he disdains the left-
right, conservative-liberal jargon as way too simplistic for a
valuable interpretation of the way the world works. This is also why
he said, quite explicitly in his response, in his very first
sentences in fact, "The choices are not limited to private tyranny
and state ownership. There are many others -- various forms of
worker ownership and self-management, for example."
gav:
'ownership', whether private or state, implicitly
assumes a separation between what is owned and who
owns it, BETWEEN SUBJECT AND OBJECT. they are both
SOM.
msh says:
Well, yes, Chomsky's working within a SOM, but so are you and
everyone else on this list, at least insofar as they wish to
communicate with the vast majority of beings on this planet. Paul
Turner put it very nicely, I think, in a response to Platt Holden.
When asked if he thought it was possible to live in a constant state
of Nirvana, he said:
I don't know. In Buddhist literature there generally seems to be a
return to an everyday existence, a "returning to the marketplace."
msh continues:
The marketplace to which we return, I think, is one owned and
operated by SOM, at least for now. It is this place of everyday
existence which will allow us, insofar as it is possible, to help
alleviate some suffering in the world. Maybe the suffering is an
illusion, as Phaedrus' Indian philosophy teacher implied; but
Phaedrus didn't think so, and I bet Pirsig doesn't either.
Paul T, if you read this, please jump in if you think I've over-
interpreted your remark.
Best to all,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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