Re: MD Maxwell's "Coherence" and the MOQ

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Jul 14 2004 - 21:58:58 BST

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    Hi Chuck

    Everything we experience is of course human experience.
    But we experience plently of things in an alienated way,
    even our own bodies sometimes.

    regards
    DM
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Chuck Roghair" <ctr@pacificpartssales.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:31 PM
    Subject: RE: MD Maxwell's "Coherence" and the MOQ

    > Man is the sum of his experience.
    >
    > David, given the above, would it be fair to equate:
    >
    > quality=reality=experience=human
    >
    > Hitting the perfect tennis shot, that individual moment of ball meeting
    > racquet, that's a glimpse of unmolested experience which is of highest
    > quality. Unfettered, pure experience--human beings temporarily flawless
    and
    > apparently on auto-pilot--musicians and athletes taste it, as do
    > artists--painters dip their brushes and writers their pens--when the notes
    > or flow of the game or brilliant brushstroke or lyrical unique descriptive
    > turn-of-a-phrase is just waiting there when and where the Artist expects
    it
    > to be, appearing as if from another dimension. It is achieved through
    > seemingly infinite study and repitition, a.k.a meditation, whatver the
    > medium; here is a glimpse at what is possible--the pinnacle of human
    > existence. The trick is sustaining it and applying it to everything.
    >
    > Seems that way to me.
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > Chuck
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]
    > On Behalf Of David Morey
    > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 10:40 AM
    > To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    > Subject: Re: MD Maxwell's "Coherence" and the MOQ
    >
    > Hi Anthony
    >
    > This loss of self-awareness is important stuff.
    > Somehow we can become absorbed into the world
    > we are experiencing. This seems to me to be about
    > getting outside of SOM. Let's remember
    > that quality=experience=reality. So here we are
    > experiencing the world. If we do not draw any lines
    > between subject and object where can we say
    > consciousness is located? In the brain? This would
    > be an SOM mistake. When we hit the perfect tennis shot
    > we are completely at one with the elements of the world.
    > We know what the ball will do as soon as we hit it.
    > Or we see the football tackle coming and we perfectly
    > step out of the way. Carl Jung spoke of enjoying a beautiful
    > view so much that he felt he was absorbed into the landscape.
    > And when we simply 'see' we do not think of the view as being in our
    > heads, the world is 'simply there', so that we are experiencing the world
    > not in our heads but in the world, 'out there'. As I said
    > reality=experience.
    > So experience is therefore a coming together into a
    > space/clearing/consciousness
    > of at least Man and World but most often Man/Language/Being as Heidegger
    > describes it. Experience is only possible when there is a world to
    > experience.
    > What is a person? What is it to be a person? It is not to be a body,
    rather
    > it is to be the experience of 'knowing a world'. If you had a body and no
    > world you would be nothing like the reality that we call a human being.
    > Getting any Heidegger read Anthony, you should?
    >
    > regards
    > David M
    >
    >
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