From: Dan Glover (daneglover@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Jul 18 2004 - 20:21:58 BST
Hello everyone
>From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD the metaphysics of freedom
>Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 07:28:52 EDT
>
>
>Mark 18a-7-04: Hi Dan, The sweet spot is Quality you assert. And indeed it
>is. That is the ZMM description, and i agree with you. Lila has given us a
>Metaphysics of Quality, and this gives us another shot at describing the
>sweet
>spot. The MOQ is a value/evolution/process metaphysics and may be used to
>describe
>experience in terms of DQ/sq.
>"I would call it Quality" doesn't quite do now that Lila has been written.
>Dan:
>Applying it to archery it would seem to me that the shot loosens itself at
>a
>very fine point. The archer has become the shot. No longer is balance
>needed. There is only the shot. I believe if the master can get the student
>to see this just one time, then his job is complete. The master is a mirror
>so to speak, and without the student there would be no reflection of
>Dynamic
>Quality to achieve. Yet in a real sense Dynamic Quality is never achieved,
>only aimed for.
>
>Mark 18a-7-04: I like all this Dan. I feel a degree of precision may be
>brought to bare if we invite coherence into this description. The master is
>a high
>coherent state of sq-sq tension. 'Purposeless tension' as Eugen Herrigel
>calls
>it. The student's less coherent state is raises in the presence of the
>master's high coherent state. If you read 'Zen in the art of archery' you
>will read
>how a master can increase the coherence of a bow simply by handling it.
Hi Mark
Herrigal as student is searching for intellectual metaphors to describe that
which he doesn't understand. "Purposeless tension" implies great patience, a
stillness awaiting interuption. Yet remember that when the student Herrigal
during his "off season" worked until he perfected his archery practice, the
master threw him out and refused to teach him. Can you tell me why?
>
>I think that's what's meant when we say hitting "the sweet spot." It has
>nothing to do with an actual spot in a physical sense but rather just for a
>moment self has been abandoned, absorbed, and the act itself has become the
>meaning. Applying that to the MOQ, one might call it harmony.
>
>Thank you for your comments,
>
>Dan
>
>Mark 18a-7-04: The sweet spot is Quality and Harmony you say. I agree Dan.
>We
>are still in ZMM country though. Coherence may be thought of a
>meta-description of you as a bunch of sq and the club/ball as a bunch of
>sq. Physical
>descriptions of the sweet spot are SOM and substance based. TEOC never goes
>near
>this - TEOC only uses MOQ value based descriptions using DQ/sq. I can't
>help it
>Dan, that's the way i think these days.
That's ok. This too shall pass. Remember: "If he does really stick to
symbols that have no reference to the experienced world, the logician is not
going to say anything meaningful." (Robert Pirsig, Copleston annotations)The
MOQ starts with experience. The meaningful act of experience isn't divided
up into a bunch of sq and a bunch of sq, that all happens later. Aren't you
just substituting sq/sq for subject and object, by the way? Sure reads that
way to me. You might want to look into getting that fixed before it gets
worse. There is no "I" hitting a "golf ball." There is just the act, the
experience. Afterwards I intellectually divide the act up into "me" as
static quality and the golf ball as static quality.
Thank you for your comments,
Dan
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