From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jul 19 2004 - 22:47:22 BST
HI Platt,
>Johnny:
>No way, this sort of thuggery is intellectual, the whole point of it is to
>effect society, it is the interaction of level three patterns, one society
>trying to dominate another. Why can't you admit it's intellectual?
>Platt:
>Because it isn't. It's biological.
>"What's coming out of the urban slums, where old Victorian social moral
>codes are almost completely destroyed, isn't any new paradise the
>revolutionaries hoped for, but a reversion to rule by terror, violence and
>gang death-the old biological might-makes-right morality of prehistoric
>brigandage that primitive societies were set up to overcome." (Lila, 24)
Yes, that has the words "terror" and "biological" in it, but I don't think
it 1) is strictly right about might-makes-right being biological, or, 2)
applies to terrorism.
Biological terror is literally the physical feeling of terror, a biological
response to death or danger. And a "mighty" bio pattern has less to fear,
and will probably get its way, where the social patterns do not steer it
toward civility. Mightiness is relative, though, so it is obviously
requires social interactions for it to mean anything. It's a social pattern
that is based on the interaction of biological patterns, yes, but all social
patterns are based on the interaction of different biological patterns, like
how younger people interact with older, uglier/prettier, smarter/slower,
etc. Do we say that being respectful to an older person, or asking the
pretty girl out first, or not shouting at blind people, are biological
patterns or a social patterns? I think they are social patterns, based on
biological differences.
What was coming out of the slums, because of destroyed moral codes, were
social patterns (or the lack of) that caused bio patterns to live in terror.
Usually social patterns protect the life of the bio patterns, but
intellectual patterns destroyed the social patterns which protected life.
Setting up primitive societies was done by intellectually putting the
existing social patern of not killing each other into words and exhorting
people to make a peaceful society as opposed to making another society where
people killed each other. A desire for a peaceful civil society is
intellectual in that it is about social patterns, and not a social pattern
itself (though it strengthens the social patterns of not killing).
>"Rule by terror," "violence" -- clearly biological level values in the
>MOQ.
Violence requires more than one biological pattern and therefore must be a
social pattern (or rather an inverse social pattern). Just because it
involves biology and directly effects the body doesn't make it a biological
pattern. The bruise, the cut, the bleeding, yes, those are biological. But
the violence is social. And violence done (in spite of social patterns
against it) in order to change society, has its genesis in intellectual
patterns, which are formed when societies interact. Face it, were it not
for ideas about how society should be, those terrorists would not be killing
anyone.
Johnny
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