From: Paul Turner (paul@turnerbc.co.uk)
Date: Tue Jul 20 2004 - 12:28:32 BST
Oh dear, in the post I've just sent I seem to be sending a post to
myself....
Hi Paul
---That should be, Hi Platt!!
Platt said:
In other words, while pure experience is non-conceptual (part of the
conceptually unknown), it nevertheless plays an active role in what it
feels like to be a human being (a sense of life).
Of course, many non-conceptual senses can be attributed to the
biological level, i.e., instincts.
Paul:
Agree, I think instinct is easily confused with Dynamic Quality and I'm
not sure where to draw a line between the two.
Platt said:
Looking at evolution from the point of view of the capacity to
experience, one could argue that what has evolved is not so much the
depth of physical structures as measured by greater complexity but
breadth of the psyche as measured by a greater range non-conceptual
experiences.
Paul:
The MOQ certainly holds that evolution has surpassed physical
complexity. I think evolutionary advances are characterised by a greater
breadth of preferences, where the novel assertion of preference itself
is that which is non-conceptual.
Platt said:
Acquiring "understanding" through experience is what the practices of
Zen Buddhism try to achieve, although whether such practices are
necessary seems debatable. As one sage put it, "Your everyday ordinary
awareness. That is the Tao."
Paul:
And another said, "What is Zen? Nothing extra."
Platt said:
Anyway, what I'm trying to do, like the MOQ, is to relate non-conceptual
understanding to what can be understood through reason. Do you think the
thoughts expressed here have any potential to do that, or is this a
tangent best left to fizzle out due to lack of grounding in agreement
with experience, logical consistency, and economy of explanation? In
other words, is "sense of" helpful in describing Quality, the
indescribable?
Paul:
I think so, within limitations. In your favour, it is useful to remember
that the MOQ stands or falls on the assumption that Quality is empirical
which means it is capable of being "sensed" and not merely deduced.
Cheers
Paul
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