From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Aug 02 2004 - 19:38:52 BST
Hi David M,
Johnny: Do you feel that an individual could come up with an intellectual
pattern from out of the blue? I mean, how come no one invented the jet
airplane in the bronze age? Why did the propellor plane have to be
invented first?
DM: This is the whole basis of the MOQ that we need to grasp.
Being emerges freely/dynamically out of nothing.
I'd say it emerges from Quality/Morality, not nothing. It emerges according
to Q/M, along with the consciousness that experiences the Being. There
could be no matter without a consciousness expecting there to be matter, and
no consciousness would expect there to be matter if it wasn't to be
expected. Quality, the collection of patterns that exist as expectations to
be repeated, creates them both.
The history of the Universe, where we see matter as having come into
existence from nothing long before Consciousness emerges, is merely what we
believe, because that belief is part of our world, it is essential to
Quality/Morality that there be a history, history might even be the same
thing as Quality/Morality. But it is created from now and projected
backwards to fit our beliefs of the present world, which values certain
preconditions and so creates them as history.
>This creates
the first level. The second level is made possible by the first
but adds something new to it. The added and new bit does come
out of nothing, it adds this to what is there (in terms of SQ patterns)
to create the new level.
Not sure what you mean by saying "out of nothing" all the time. Where is
this "nothing" from which things come? Is it the future? Do you think that
things could be any other way than the way they are now?
>When we reach a certain level we begin
to be able to imagine something new like a jet plane and if we
are lucky we are also able to bring what is only possible into
reality and help the jet place to emerge as if our of nothing.
Sure there are SQ patterns required first before the jet plane
like the propellor plane but until you actually have a jet plane
the existence of the jet plane is nothing,
Yes, it is nothing until it is something, but it is also inevitable, the
proof being that it is.
>but the nothing-reality
of the Possible is precisely the incredible source of all DQ
out of Nothing. Any help?
Yes, I would call DQ the future/possible - actually, I would call it the
probable, the expected.
"nothing/reality" sounds like Nihilism, which is a lot like the MoQ's DQ/SQ
in that is puts the constant devaluing of the highest values as the highest
value, ie, striving for change for the better according to the present.
Johnny
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