From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri Aug 27 2004 - 18:45:18 BST
On 26 August 2004 2:49 PM Ham writes to Joe, Platt, Paul:
Joseph said:
Everything in the encyclopedia is enclosed in a moral hierarchy. Is
this my awareness of logic? As an individual sentient I can be an
illogical, immoral artist creating from an acceptance of DQ. Is this how I
escape
from logic's restraints?
Ham said:
Maybe artistic creation is the alternative, Joseph. However, I know
something about the construction of music, and it relies pretty heavily
onrules of harmony and counterpoint that may be considered a form of logic.
I
suspect that the visual arts come with their own set of rules. Incidentally,
I'm not trying to evade logic, and I do appreciate the analysis you all are
offering. There is a time, however, (especially at the outset of an
exposition) when the author should be
permitted to decribe his or her concept in descriptive terms -- much as
Pirsig has done in his novels.(-; Once we get the total picture we can
scrutinize it logically and assess its merits.
Hi Ham, Platt, Paul, and all,
joe: i am not well educated in music theory. I separate awareness from
evolution. IMO awareness is through the mystical ,?,. SOM confused the
mystical with an unverifiable subjective experience. IMO evolution,
morality, in the MOQ is a model for different levels in awareness. I was
suggesting logic is tied to the evolutionary model. For example I have a
mystical awareness of gravity. Newton proposes a law of gravity, logic. The
law of gravity is not a law of purpose. The logic of acceleration is not the
logic of purpose. Feeding which is mystical organic awareness of purpose
contains a logic of purpose. A logic of social order, existence, for the
social order. A logic of creation, unfinished s/o ?, for the intellectual
order. Can logic be a law of evolutionary vibrations for which the musical
octave is a model? I don't have answers! My questions come from reading! I
am not creative!
Joe
> Joseph said:
> > Everything in the encyclopedia is enclosed in a moral hierarchy. Is
> > this my awareness of logic? As an individual sentient I can be an
> illogical,
> > immoral artist creating from an acceptance of DQ. Is this how I escape
> from
> > logic's restraints?
>
> Maybe artistic creation is the alternative, Joseph. However, I know
> something about the construction of music, and it relies pretty heavily on
> rules of harmony and counterpoint that may be considered a form of logic.
I
> suspect that the visual arts come with their own set of rules.
>
> Incidentally, I'm not trying to evade logic, and I do appreciate the
> analysis you all are offering. There is a time, however,
> (especially at the outset of an exposition) when the author should be
> permitted to decribe his or her concept in descriptive terms -- much as
> Pirsig has done in his novels.(-; Once we get the total picture we can
> scrutinize it logically and assess its merits.
>
> Essentially yours,
> Ham
>
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