MD MOQ and The Ideal Society.

From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Sat Aug 28 2004 - 06:45:21 BST

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    Dear David M.,

    You wrote 27 Aug 2004 20:59:08 +0100:
    'I could imagine a society where we spend/use/give
    our money/resources much more wisely & even
    pleasurably, but currently rather low quality behaviour
    allows people to accumulate money, etc'

    O.k., so could I, but then we are dealing with another subject. Not how 3rd
    level patterns of value maintain societies and how they evolve, i.e. how DQ
    operates at the 3rd level. The subject is then how THE ideal society (i.e. a
    symbolic representation of a society that doesn't exist) would look like and
    how to decrease the difference between ideal and reality.

    How would it look like?
    As the ideal (a 4th level pattern of value) cannot be derived from existing
    3rd level patterns of value (the ideal describes a situation that doesn't
    exist), it must be derived from DQ and/or from the highest quality 4th level
    patterns of value we know (the ones migrated farthest towards DQ). We only
    experience DQ situational (relative to a specific situation, a specific set
    of patterns of value that give way to another set) and not absolute (as a
    final goal of all migration of all patterns of value).
    THE ideal society for everyone can only be formulated to the extent that
    everyone experiences him/herself as being in the same situation, as being
    part of one whole, i.e. to the extent that everyone identifies with humanity
    as a whole. It will also still be situational. Every time our (humanity's)
    patterns of value give way to another set of patterns of value, we have to
    formulate a new situational goal, a new ideal.
    I can imagine a situation, when homo sapiens was still young, with low
    population density, small groups (societies) widely dispersed among huge
    amounts of natural resources, low average consciousness and few individuals
    aware enough of the possibilites to use those resources for the advancement
    of their society, in which accumulating resources in the hands of as few
    leaders as possible WAS the ideal. Now that has become an habitual pattern
    of value that must give way.

    How to decrease the difference between ideal and reality?
    4th level patterns of value can only determine the direction of social
    evolution. They cannot force its pace. In order to answer this question we
    still have to answer the questions how 3rd level patterns of value maintain
    societies and how they evolve, i.e. how DQ operates at the 3rd level.

    Is this a good answer to what you wrote 26 Jun 2004 13:47:09 +0100:
    'I would like to see the case between equality and inequality argued from
    both points of view. I think both are inadequate ways of thinking.'? I.e. is
    it a good way to distinguish and then combine/connect 3rd and 4th level
    perspectives?

    With friendly greetings,

    Wim

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