From: MarshaV (marshalz@i-2000.com)
Date: Wed Sep 08 2004 - 21:44:10 BST
Hi,
Personality types? Interesting questions! I've taken three different
versions of the Myers-Briggs tests, and the same personality came up all
three times. Were these static patterns of personality?
MarshaV
At 01:00 PM 9/8/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>David,
>
>That is a good question. Not sure how
>to think of those, morally... hmmm.
>
>Morally, it seems that it comes down to the
>intent of the test on the one hand and the
>application-evaluation on the other.
>
>Is the definition of a personality type a
>social definition or an intellectual one?
>
>Is the operational level of the individual
>social or intellectual?
>
>Is the requiring entity a social entity with
>a purpose of dominating a biological
>individual, or a social individual, or an
>intellectual?
>
>Does the test TRULY measure what is
>needed or is i simply being pulled off
>the shelf as a "close" match?
>
>Does the test truly reflect the possible
>universe of test takers?
>
>In evaluation, how are the "corner-cases"
>and "outliers" handled?
>
>
>================
>For existing tests...
>
>In operation however, those few times
>I've been involved in those exrcises, even
>when it was the same test, I ended up in
>very different quadrants. It seemed that
>the test answers were more a measure
>of my mood on THAT day, than anything
>at base about my personality.
>
>The assumptions of the test creator
>and the variability in personal use of
>language and education, when they
>are sufficiently different make a train
>wreck out of the whole thing. (The
>company or test creator will strongly
>deny such and discuss their validation
>testing, but it is always a "short cut"
>rather than rigorous...they have an
>axe to grind at the testing companie$.)
>
>So, before I even get to Moral, the tests
>generally tend to suck.
>
>Case in point, the best salesman I've
>known failed all the tests as a sales
>candidate given by his department.
>(He had already been working there
>before they started testing.)
>
>The tests said he was an introverted
>intellectual, an "engineer type", and
>not a "people person". What the test
>could not measure was that he had a
>passion for the product and that the
>buyers were largely engineer types,
>who resisted glad handing salesmen.
>
>Of course it may be that the tests I've
>seen were simply Schlock-jobs and
>that is why it looks so bad...
>
>A well designed test might show your
>tendency, but will ever measure the
>reality of perfomance choices in the real
>workplace. The only sure measure of a
>job is doing the job.
>
>thanks--mel
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Morey" < >
>To: < >
>Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:18 AM
>Subject: Re: MD and the LIE DETECTOR test
>
>
> > What about so-called personality tests?
> >
> > DM
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Roberts" < >
> > To: < >
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:05 PM
> > Subject: RE: MD and the LIE DETECTOR test
> >
> >
> > > Mel,
> > >
> > > Since I am a nervous sort of person, I've never been able to imagine
> > > passing one, even without lying, so I too have always been bothered. It
> > > could be that they can take this into account, but I'm not inclined to
> > > trust them.
> > >
> > > My view is that if employers requires a lie detector test, or a
>urinalysis
> > > for that matter, then it is immoral to sign up with them, as well as it
> > > being immoral for them to require the test. Pretty much for reason (2),
> > the
> > > Giant dominating the individual.
> > >
> > > - Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: ml < >
> > > > To: < >
> > > > Date: 9/7/2004 12:12:42 PM
> > > > Subject: MD and the LIE DETECTOR test
> > > >
> > > > All:
> > > >
> > > > What is the morality of a lie detector test as
> > > > a pre-employment test?
> > > >
> > > > It seems to me, for questions concerning your
> > > > opinions and personal views, to be:
> > > > 1) a physical level device placed in 'judgement'
> > > > over a biological being.
> > > > 2) a social level attempt at dominating the
> > > > intellectual function of a person.
> > > >
> > > > The very existence of the "test" bothered me
> > > > when I first heard of it at age five. Seemed that it
> > > > was somehow wrong, not unlike the feeling I
> > > > had at learning about the guilliotine or the rack.
> > > >
> > > > thanks--mel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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