From: Phaedrus Wolff (PhaedrusWolff@carolina.rr.com)
Date: Sun Jan 09 2005 - 15:58:56 GMT
Chin stated;
> It would seem to me that intuition fits in well with the idea of universal
> moral standards in the previous thread. All we need is to look within for
> our moral standards.
Platt)Right. But the problem is when each of us looks within, we apparently
see
different moral standards, based on individual life experiences. I don't
know the answer to that.
Chin)I would think that the answer might be that we don't look far enough
within to get past the cultural effects of our individual life expriences.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>; <owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: MD Intuition
> Hi Chin,
>
> > > >Chin earlier)What I believe is that this mystical experience does
come
> > >> from
> > > > the mind, in that it is intuitive.
>
> > > Platt)I also believe mystical experience is intuitive since it is what
we
> > > experience before we put anything into words.
> > >
> > > Chin)Such as in DQ?
> >
> > Platt)Yes.
> >
> > Chin)Good. It seems we are agreed on this. I must ask why?
> >
> > What I am thinking is within two sides of the brain working together,
that
> > one side is logic and reason, and the other side aesthetic and
intuition.
> > The two sides of the brain do not work apart from each other as left and
> > right side, but communicate with each other on all things. Logic and
reason
> > are our SQ, and beauty and intuition are our DQ feeders.
>
> Makes sense to me.
>
> > As I said to Marsha earlier, it is the artists that are on the leading
edge
> > of Quality. I also stated science is an art, and I would add math is an
art
> > as well. The static procedures we follow in doing experiments or
equations
> > are driven by a value; a will. This will that is driven to keep pushing
the
> > numbers or pushing the experiments is driven by intuition. If there was
no
> > expected outcome, then there would be no 'reason' to continue to push
the
> > envelope. Logic or reason would simply say we have the answer -- stop.
When
> > this logic or reason is questioned, then it is questioned by something.
>
> Right. Also, mathematical truths are judged by mathematicians themselves
> by their beauty or "elegance."
>
> > Ham had asked earlier "Who tells us what is right?"
>
> > In Zen, we are told to look within. It is in this intuition that we find
> > the answer to "What is right?" Though the mystical experience is, like
> > Quality, not defined, you come away with knowledge; a knowledge that
shows
> > you the Beauty of the world. As you say, it is right here in front of
us,
> > and we just don't see it because our reason only holds object and
subject;
> > beauty is only something you want or desire for yourself.
>
> Right.
>
> > It would seem to me that the MOQ fully supports the idea that knowledge
is
> > both reason and intuition; logic and Beauty; not logic or Beauty. This
is
> > what makes up the intellect. This is the driving force that causes the
> > world to continue to improve; it is what causes us to improve. It is
> > Quality -- Value -- Beauty.
>
> Yes, and yes again.
>
> > Would it not seem that this is what Scott is saying as well? "But
intellect
> > is the tool by which one purifies one's intellect" If the intellect were
no
> > more than logic and reason, then there would be no 'reason' to purify
what
> > is already reasonable.
>
> Agree.
>
> > It would seem to me that intuition fits in well with the idea of
universal
> > moral standards in the previous thread. All we need is to look within
for
> > our moral standards.
>
> Right. But the problem is when each of us looks within, we apparently see
> different moral standards, based on individual life experiences. I don't
> know the answer to that.
>
> > Thanks for the offerings. They seem to support what I am saying. Don't
you
> > think?
>
> Absolutely. Furthermore, we seem to agree that Beauty is a synonym for
> Value and Quality. I've believed that for a long time. Beauty is
> intuitive, and like Quality, it's examples will vary from person to
> person, depending on individual life experiences.
>
> Best,
> Platt
>
>
>
>
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