MD Whither "direct," "pure," and "immediate"?

From: Matt Kundert (pirsigaffliction@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Mar 14 2005 - 03:55:38 GMT

  • Next message: ian glendinning: "Re: MD Whither "direct," "pure," and "immediate"?"

    Dan,

    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

    Dan said:
    Ontologically speaking, experience is never direct.
    ...
    The MOQ begins with experience, not pure experience, just experience.

    Matt:
    Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the distinct impression that
    the words "direct" and "pure" were consistently used qualifiers for
    experience throughout Pirsig's work, Northrop's work, and throughout
    Anthony's work. And I was under the impression that some people (including,
    for the most part, Pirsig) thought they were important, played some role in
    the way we read Pirsig.

    In fact, I just finished my review of Anthony's essay on the forum and most
    of it revolves around criticizing the use of these qualifiers.

    Are we suddenly giving up on these terms? If we are, I don't think we
    should obscure the sea change that would be involved in interpreting Pirsig,
    at least the change in the dominant opinion, particularly given that much of
    my critique of Pirsig in the last few years has revolved around these terms
    and I've received much animated derision over my "misunderstanding" of
    Pirsig.

    Don't get me wrong: I hope my interpretation becomes the dominant,
    mainstream interpretation. But I was under the impression that I was the
    minority and offering a dissenting opinion, not the dominant ideology.

    Given that I could still be drastically wrong on any number of other issues,
    what's up with immediate, pure, direct experience?

    Matt

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