Re: MD Art and the MOQ

From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Jul 05 2005 - 10:37:20 BST

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    Platt, on emergence ...

    I'm flattered by the "if anyone can Ian can" confidence.
    I'm going to have very little on-line time for the next few days, but
    I will come back.

    Can I suggest you follow-up some of the subjects "over your head" with
    the authors I've already mentioned (Stewart, Gleick, Hofstadter and
    Deutsch), and of course Dawkins and Dennett. Evolution is the
    archetypal (but not exclusive) area to see emergence explained. (I
    will come back with some more examples as to how I would explain and
    illustrate the idea.)

    Forget "objective scientific causal proof" (suspend disbelief anyway)
    Think "believable quality explanation".

    See ya
    Ian

    On 7/4/05, Platt Holden <pholden@sc.rr.com> wrote:
    > Hi Horse,
    >
    > Thanks for the references regarding "emergent properties." . Some I had
    > looked at before. I get the impression that not only is there lots of
    > disagreements about how the phenomenon occurs, but even about what the
    > concept means. Besides, a lot of the stuff was over my head -- which is
    > one of the reasons for asking Ian his take on the matter. I figure if he
    > can't explain it from a scientific perspective, nobody can.
    >
    > Good to hear from you. For newcomers reading this, Horse is the master of
    > this domain. Every time we forward an e-mail to this site, we have him to
    > thank for posting it and keeping a record of what goes on here. As usual,
    > those who do the work, the producers in society, rarely get enough credit.
    > I for one am always aware of Horse's presence in the background and
    > appreciate the time, money and effort he volunteers every day.
    >
    > Best,
    > Platt
    >
    >
    > > Hi Platt
    > >
    > > Re: Emergetnt Properties/Behaviours:
    > >
    > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
    > > http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/properties-emergent/
    > > http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~philos/MindDict/emergence.html
    > > http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/notebooks/emergent-properties.html
    > > http://alf.nbi.dk/~emmeche/cePubl/99b.toronto.3.1b.html
    > >
    > >
    > > or just google "emergent properties"
    > >
    > >
    > > Horse
    >
    >
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