DQ as spirituality? / Q as God? (was: MD Worlds Worst Kept Secret)

From: Kevin Perez (juan825diego@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Aug 13 2005 - 11:30:01 BST

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    Well isn't this a kick in the pants.

    Ian, thanks for letting us know. I hadn't a clue.

    But I'll play along. :)

    Ian, after reading your post I went to the archives
    and found that Platt's been
    posting since the beginning (Aug. 97). On 7 Nov of
    that year he wrote the
    following in a message to Maggie Hettinger.

    "[...] the Quality Event is neither where Static and
    Dynamic Quality interact or
    where static values of patterns interact with other
    levels. The Quality Event is
    not an interactive event but a transformative event.
    It is the event at which
    the ultimate reality of the world (Quality) is
    transformed:

    from the one to the many
    from the sensation of self to the perception of other
    from chaos to pattern
    from potential to actual
    from unity to relativity
    from simultaneity to duality
    from present to past
    from primacy to derivative
    from the Big Now to the Great Divide
    from the ineffable to the expressible

    The Quality Event is the Organizing Principle of the
    world, creating pattern and
    relationships upon which the world became structured
    and upon which it depends
    for survival. The QE is the initial, primal static
    latch required for the world
    to see itself, to engage in the play of Lila, to
    understand itself."

    One of Maggie Hettinger's early posts lead me to her
    website and eventually to
    Platt's "Primer of the Metaphysics of Quality"
    <http://www.iglou.com/watchmakerpress/MOQ/primer.html>.
     I've added links to it
    and one or two other MOQ sites to one of my personal
    websites.

    And since one out deserves another...the URL to my
    personal site is
    http://home.earthlink.net/~kjp82/Spirituality.html.

    Platt's words above and his words in the MOQ primer
    (hi Platt) seem to hint that
    Dynamic Quality may be another name for Sprituality
    and the "born again
    experience" or the "experience of spiritual
    transformation" may be another name
    for the Quality Event. Like the substitution of
    Quality for the Tao in ZMM,
    this substitution seems to leave no change in
    meaning...with one exception. The
    notion that "Dynamic Quality [or Spirituality] [is]
    another word for God" (ref.
    MOQ primer) doesn't make sense to me. However,
    substituting God for Quality in
    Platt's Nov 97 post does make sense.

    "[The born again experience] is the event at which the
    ultimate reality of the
    world ([God]) is transformed:

    from the one to the many
    from the sensation of self to the perception of other
    from chaos to pattern
    from potential to actual
    from unity to relativity
    from simultaneity to duality
    from present to past
    from primacy to derivative
    from the Big Now to the Great Divide
    from the ineffable to the expressible"

    Any thoughts?

    Kevin

    PS: Can anyone help me figure out how to format my
    email messages so they post
    better? The line breaks in my posts are different,
    uglier, than those in other
    people's posts. Thanks.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron@gmail.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:24 AM
    Subject: MD Worlds Worst Kept Secret

    >I take it everybody is aware that "Platt Holden" is
    an anagrammatic pseudonym,
    >
    > "The Old Plant"
    >
    > ... pen name of none other than wily old rhetorician
    "Robert M Pirsig".
    >
    > Yes folks, his role on this forum is as the "plant"
    to post the most
    > reactionary response to every other post, just to
    keep us on our toes.
    >
    > He's very good at it.
    > Just occasionally the old bu**er can't resist
    lapsing into making a good
    > point.
    > Go easy on me Bob ;-)
    >
    > Ian
    > (PS - I've had variants on this post in my draft
    folder for over a year ...)

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