From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Aug 13 2005 - 21:32:23 BST
Thanks for "playing" Kevin
I haven't a clue what point you're making.
As I say sometimes Bob does accidentally make a valid point when he posts.
The one you quote is unintelligible to me though.
There is no doubt he's been posting as "Platt" long before I came
along, and even got something of a positive MoQ reputation along the
way.
No problem with DQ as spirituality, didn't need "Bob" to post on
MoQ-Discuss to work that one out.
Ian
On 8/13/05, Kevin Perez <juan825diego@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well isn't this a kick in the pants.
>
> Ian, thanks for letting us know. I hadn't a clue.
>
> But I'll play along. :)
>
> Ian, after reading your post I went to the archives
> and found that Platt's been
> posting since the beginning (Aug. 97). On 7 Nov of
> that year he wrote the
> following in a message to Maggie Hettinger.
>
> "[...] the Quality Event is neither where Static and
> Dynamic Quality interact or
> where static values of patterns interact with other
> levels. The Quality Event is
> not an interactive event but a transformative event.
> It is the event at which
> the ultimate reality of the world (Quality) is
> transformed:
>
> from the one to the many
> from the sensation of self to the perception of other
> from chaos to pattern
> from potential to actual
> from unity to relativity
> from simultaneity to duality
> from present to past
> from primacy to derivative
> from the Big Now to the Great Divide
> from the ineffable to the expressible
>
> The Quality Event is the Organizing Principle of the
> world, creating pattern and
> relationships upon which the world became structured
> and upon which it depends
> for survival. The QE is the initial, primal static
> latch required for the world
> to see itself, to engage in the play of Lila, to
> understand itself."
>
> One of Maggie Hettinger's early posts lead me to her
> website and eventually to
> Platt's "Primer of the Metaphysics of Quality"
> <http://www.iglou.com/watchmakerpress/MOQ/primer.html>.
> I've added links to it
> and one or two other MOQ sites to one of my personal
> websites.
>
> And since one out deserves another...the URL to my
> personal site is
> http://home.earthlink.net/~kjp82/Spirituality.html.
>
> Platt's words above and his words in the MOQ primer
> (hi Platt) seem to hint that
> Dynamic Quality may be another name for Sprituality
> and the "born again
> experience" or the "experience of spiritual
> transformation" may be another name
> for the Quality Event. Like the substitution of
> Quality for the Tao in ZMM,
> this substitution seems to leave no change in
> meaning...with one exception. The
> notion that "Dynamic Quality [or Spirituality] [is]
> another word for God" (ref.
> MOQ primer) doesn't make sense to me. However,
> substituting God for Quality in
> Platt's Nov 97 post does make sense.
>
> "[The born again experience] is the event at which the
> ultimate reality of the
> world ([God]) is transformed:
>
> from the one to the many
> from the sensation of self to the perception of other
> from chaos to pattern
> from potential to actual
> from unity to relativity
> from simultaneity to duality
> from present to past
> from primacy to derivative
> from the Big Now to the Great Divide
> from the ineffable to the expressible"
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Kevin
>
> PS: Can anyone help me figure out how to format my
> email messages so they post
> better? The line breaks in my posts are different,
> uglier, than those in other
> people's posts. Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron@gmail.com>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:24 AM
> Subject: MD Worlds Worst Kept Secret
>
>
> >I take it everybody is aware that "Platt Holden" is
> an anagrammatic pseudonym,
> >
> > "The Old Plant"
> >
> > ... pen name of none other than wily old rhetorician
> "Robert M Pirsig".
> >
> > Yes folks, his role on this forum is as the "plant"
> to post the most
> > reactionary response to every other post, just to
> keep us on our toes.
> >
> > He's very good at it.
> > Just occasionally the old bu**er can't resist
> lapsing into making a good
> > point.
> > Go easy on me Bob ;-)
> >
> > Ian
> > (PS - I've had variants on this post in my draft
> folder for over a year ...)
>
>
>
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