Re: MD The MOQ implies that there is more to reality than DQ & SQ.

From: hampday@earthlink.net
Date: Wed Sep 21 2005 - 07:15:52 BST

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    Hi David --

    > Here's a thought for you.....
    >
    > There is more to reality than the experience of DQ and SQ.

    Oh, no! How could that possibly be? Do you mean to say that RMP's two
    novels haven't covered all the bases?

    > Not only do we have experiences that can have dynamic
    > and static forms of quality, but we also find ourselves
    > deprived of these experiences. Absence is very important.
    > Without absence we could not recognise the world
    > and other people and that the world is bounded.

    Do tell! How fascinating.

    I have a whole chapter on this topic in my thesis. Only I call your absence
    "nothingness". Indeed, without nothingness, we could not distinguish one
    thing from another, or even separate ourselves from what we see and when we
    see it.

    Nothingness is the boundary that divides all objects and events in time and
    space. It's the experiential mode of the finite creature that accounts for
    the differentiation of the universe. Nothingness is not a "void" in reality
    but the "gap" in sensibility that prevents us from experiencing reality as
    an absolute Whole. In the absence of experience awareness is a proprietary
    nothingness (negate) that has no physical or universal reality. So you've
    hit on something that's quite significant in metaphysical circles.

    > As children we learn all about absence. We play with
    > the pretty ball, then it rolls under the chair. It is gone.
    > But we find it and it comes back into our experience.
    > So we discover the world as a container larger than
    > our experience. And we find other people can
    > experience stuff we don't but tell us about it even
    > though we do not expience these parts of the world
    > directly ourselves. We discover in experience that
    > SQ can appear and disappear to us. We discover
    > that the world transcends our experience.
    >
    > The MOQ implies this when it talks about the world
    > as a good idea.

    Where is absence or nothingness mentioned in the MoQ?

    > But there is also that which transcends the world.
    >
    > Dynamically new SQ enters the world. EG a new species,
    > a new molecule. Enters from where I ask you?
    > From nowhere you might say. Perhaps. Such is
    > the potential of Nothing or DQ. But potential may
    > exist prior to it entering experience. Certainly it can
    > enter an individual before it appears in the
    > larger world as a new idea.
    >
    > And SQ can leave both experience and the world.
    > EG a species or a civilisation can cease to exist in
    > the world. Where does it go?

    Things are experienced as arising from and returning to nothingness.
    Such is the illusion we all call the "real" world. Obviously they are
    supported by a primary source that transcends this coming and going. I call
    this source Essence. Is my Essence what Pirsig calls "the primary empirical
    reality of the world"? If it is, he hasn't called it a source or creator.
    Could that be because it sounds too much like God?

    > DQ somehow has access to an infinite creative potential.
    > In a sense this potential exists for us, but it exists in a realm
    > transcendental to the world. But, of course, imaginatively,
    > in experience, we can spend much time exploring this realm,
    > although the realm of imagination is too vast to be
    > contained in experience. Perhaps the realm of the infinite
    > is what we mean by DQ. The world is simply a realm less
    > vast than that of DQ, or perhaps just one particular journey
    > through the realm of all possible worlds.
    >
    > Any thoughts?

    I would say WE have access to that infinite creative potential through our
    realization of its Value. But, of course, that's the kind of SOM notion
    that the MoQ seeks to eradicate from our thinking. In general, however, you
    have laid out a thought-provoking rationale that may inspire us to reach
    beyond the heirarchy boxes for the "ultimate" reality.

    Such ideas help "fill the void".

    Essentially yours,
    Ham

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