From: platootje@netscape.net
Date: Mon Oct 03 2005 - 10:18:40 BST
Hello Ham,
You wrote:
However, I do think that, in our space/time way of looking at
the universe, we imagine a time in which it did not exist. Perhaps
this is
only an "intellectualized" scenario, but the beginning and ending of
things
is built into that concept. That is, from an existential perspective,
the
universe is not "eternal" but follows the laws of entropy -- from the
Big
Bang to its total collapse. Inasmuch as this concept is so ingrained
in us,
it is a universally accepted pattern that I don't feel the philosopher
is in
a position to challenge.
Me:
You're right, but it's something to realize, that the limits of
existence are intellectual concepts rather then real limits of a real
universe. This realization becomes important when diggin in the
Essential questions about creation, source, etc.
You:
Of course there is also the possibility of a multi-universe system, or
the
"multi-dimensional reality" of New Age metaphysics. Although I do not
subscribe to these views -- they seem to defy the principle of Occam's
razor -- they could conceivably account for an experiential "actuality"
without beginning or end. Indeed, Cusan theory postulates that
Potentiality
and Actually are both present in the "coincidental" first principle
(Source.) That would imply that awareness (i.e., experience=existence)
is
timeless and omnipresent. In other words, existence must be eternal.
What think you?
Me:
I do not know anything about New Age metaphysics and taken multiple
universes into account at this stage seems unnecessary complex.
You said:
I agree that value can only be experienced "once removed" from Essence.
In
that sense it is subject (awareness) valuing objective beingness. At
the
same time, the "ultimate" value is Essence. In my philosophy (and to
some
extent in the MoQ) it is the individual's response to Value which makes
life
purposeful. I see the interaction between the cognizant self (negate)
and
its
Primary Source fulfilling a metaphysical principle through Value.
Which is
to say, Essentialism is a valuistic philosophy. This concept, in fact,
is
what I was initially looking to find supported in the MoQ. Its author
hints
at it, but falls short of actually expressing it.
Me:
A value in MoQ perspective hints to a static pattern. The moral system
says any static pattern in a higher level
is more moral then that in a lower level.
From a buddhistic point of view I would say, any SP is clinging to
existence, because existence is described in SP's. So any SP is keeping
you away from Essence (or Nirvana). Every higher MoQ level is more
dynamic and thus has less SP's. That counts for the higher morality,
but it's not the SP that is of higher morality but the entire level
because it has less SP's. But still a SP in the intellectual level, or
a SP in the social level, they're both SP, and thus not the highest
possible value, which is value-less, which is Essence.
So I see what you mean by valuistic, and Essence being the highest
value. I just look at it slightly different.
You:
Pirsig might like that as a way of assuaging the theists. But I infer
from
your first two lines that only the potential for SQ was there, not its
actuality. If SQ represents Existence, that makes DQ pre-existential
(i.e.,
pre-intellectual), and we have to resort to a biblical view of Creation.
Me:
I don't distinguish between actuality and potential. The actualization
is the realization (awareness) of the potential.
You:
This gets back to my previous question: Do you believe there is (or can
be)
a Source in the absence of experience? If you do, you'd have to say
that
Cusa's Potentiality is not co-dependent with Actuality. I understand
that
time is relative and the Absolute is timeless. Still, I don't know how
to
resolve the condition of "non-actuality" without tossing out Cusa's
Coincidence theory. I definitely need your help here, Reinier!
Me:
Yes there can be Essence without existence. Without valueing the
potential, without our differentiated awareness, without our subjective
perception of reality, there remains essence, re-united what never
really has been differentiated.
Kind regards,
Reinier.
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